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[Southerner]

I run across Nestle-branded flavoured creamers in lots of church kitchens.

So, (correct me if I am wrong) you are taking a John Woolman position...per the FDA, there are no fetal cells in food products but if they are ever used in the development/ testing stage of a product, you are going to boycott the product...in this case, Nestle coffee creamer?

[JohnH]

I run across Nestle-branded flavoured creamers in lots of church kitchens.

So, (correct me if I am wrong) you are taking a John Woolman position...per the FDA, there are no fetal cells in food products but if they are ever used in the development/ testing stage of a product, you are going to boycott the product...in this case, Nestle coffee creamer?

Yes, I want to avoid using things that were developed using aborted baby parts.

As a reminder, this does not include something not developed used aborted baby parts which has been long established, and then some manufacturer decides to use aborted baby parts to test it. An example of this would be Tylenol (I do remain mystified why fetal stem cells need to be used at all to "test" it; it's not like how to manufacture it is a mystery, but some people tell me that they do do that).

I am bit puzzled how anyone could feel comfortable using flavoured coffee creamer that was developed using live human tissue from an aborted baby.

[Southerner]

Part of the agenda of the pro-abortion movement is to dehumanise unborn babies. Hence why they call it a "fetus" or a "blob of tissue" and refuse to call it a "baby".

I refuse to part of the pro-abortion agenda. Fetal stem cells are parts from an aborted baby. It is especially concerning when so-called Christians refuse to see or acknowledge this.

My cousin had to terminate her pregnancy due to a rare blood condition where she along with her baby would both die. She is a Mennonite.

[Soloist]

I honestly feel like your dramatic language does more damage. Yeah, maybe you want to call it what it is in your mind, but using credible scientific terms give more credibility.
It makes it harder to just dismiss it as ravings

Part of the agenda of the pro-abortion movement is to dehumanise unborn babies. Hence why they call it a "fetus" or a "blob of tissue" and refuse to call it a "baby".

I refuse to part of the pro-abortion agenda. Fetal stem cells are parts from an aborted baby. It is especially concerning when so-called Christians refuse to see or acknowledge this.

I was also talking about your language about Judas.
I understand your position and I disagree with consistently referring to a cell line as tissue or baby parts even though abstractly both are correct.
When talking about the mice they are grafting fetal tissue into ie, the thymus, skin and other such, I would say it’s perfectly appropriate to insist on calling it aborted baby parts or baby tissue because that’s exactly what it is.

[Soloist]

Part of the agenda of the pro-abortion movement is to dehumanise unborn babies. Hence why they call it a "fetus" or a "blob of tissue" and refuse to call it a "baby".

I refuse to part of the pro-abortion agenda. Fetal stem cells are parts from an aborted baby. It is especially concerning when so-called Christians refuse to see or acknowledge this.

My cousin had to terminate her pregnancy due to a rare blood condition where she along with her baby would both die. She is a Mennonite.

I have no judgment on that.
The one time we had to do a DnC we had a repeat ultrasound before hand…

[Southerner]

Part of the agenda of the pro-abortion movement is to dehumanise unborn babies. Hence why they call it a "fetus" or a "blob of tissue" and refuse to call it a "baby".

I refuse to part of the pro-abortion agenda. Fetal stem cells are parts from an aborted baby. It is especially concerning when so-called Christians refuse to see or acknowledge this.

My cousin had to terminate her pregnancy due to a rare blood condition where she along with her baby would both die. She is a Mennonite.

I have no judgment on that.
The one time we had to do a DnC we had a repeat ultrasound before hand…

Would you have a problem w a vaccine developed from her baby?

[Judas Maccabeus]

Is Senomyx connected with Nestle? I believe Nestle contracted with them to do the taste research. No indication anywhere that I can find that the sweetener included any HEK-293.

It would appear this is where the rumor started perhaps?

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC123709/

That paper is pretty far into the weeds. Has to do with “what makes sweet, sweet.” Nothing to do with coffee creamer

[Judas Maccabeus]

Part of the agenda of the pro-abortion movement is to dehumanise unborn babies. Hence why they call it a "fetus" or a "blob of tissue" and refuse to call it a "baby".

I refuse to part of the pro-abortion agenda. Fetal stem cells are parts from an aborted baby. It is especially concerning when so-called Christians refuse to see or acknowledge this.

My cousin had to terminate her pregnancy due to a rare blood condition where she along with her baby would both die. She is a Mennonite.

I would support her decision if it is as you describe. If you lose the mother, you have lost both of them. I have been in situations where these choices were being made. Actual clinical medicine is difficult and messy. Slogans don’t work.

[JohnH]

Part of the agenda of the pro-abortion movement is to dehumanise unborn babies. Hence why they call it a "fetus" or a "blob of tissue" and refuse to call it a "baby".

I refuse to part of the pro-abortion agenda. Fetal stem cells are parts from an aborted baby. It is especially concerning when so-called Christians refuse to see or acknowledge this.

My cousin had to terminate her pregnancy due to a rare blood condition where she along with her baby would both die. She is a Mennonite.

Which has nothing at all to do with an elective abortion.

[JohnH]

Is Senomyx connected with Nestle? I believe Nestle contracted with them to do the taste research. No indication anywhere that I can find that the sweetener included any HEK-293.

It would appear this is where the rumor started perhaps?

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC123709/

That paper is pretty far into the weeds. Has to do with “what makes sweet, sweet.” Nothing to do with coffee creamer

Are you denying that Nestle used Senoymx technology to develop a couple of their flavourings?

This isn't a conspiracy theory. It was well-documented by Children of God for Life, and if they hadn't organised what they did, this would probably have become far more widespread in the U.S. - which I don't think would be a good thing.