JohnH wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2026 11:53 pm
However, that does not mean that what I think needs to happen in our churches is installing a Bethel worship team, or perhaps having them visit periodically and having a big to-do where they come and perform for us. If I wanted to experience Bethel, or New Pointe, or Faith Family, I could just... go there.
And what I really don't need is a half-baked, half-talented edition of the kind of worship that Bethel puts on, for free, every Sunday, that I'm supposed to take out an evening to attend and then act like it's something special - because it isn't.
It soon transitions fron worship, where all can engage and participate, to a situation where only those with “talent “ participate. The rest are essentially spectators. I don’t see this as a biblically sound direction. I was in such a church years ago, and sooner or later, the service becomes a spectator friendly endeavor, participation from those less talented unwelcome, either formally or informally.
I understand this but there are also those who find the "singing parts" tradition difficult and alienating and prefer the support of everyone sing the same part with an instrument providing chord progressions. It depends a lot on what you are comfortable with.
John Funk had a solution to this-Shape Notes. I learned to sing parts within 2-3 weeks from a Sacred Harp tutorial, sent me by a primitive baptist. It is not that steep of a climb.
Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2026 9:58 pm
John Funk had a solution to this-Shape Notes.
Joseph Funk. I go past his house every day.
His system faded and was replaced by the standard do re mi scale, and his hymnal was rewritten to reflect that change. If you have a really old one, the shapes are a little disconcerting until you get used to it.
Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2026 9:58 pm
John Funk had a solution to this-Shape Notes.
Joseph Funk. I go past his house every day.
His system faded and was replaced by the standard do re mi scale, and his hymnal was rewritten to reflect that change. If you have a really old one, the shapes are a little disconcerting until you get used to it.
I'm guessing if Oasis used that system in one of their concerts it might not produce a lot of dancing. Is that what disconcerting means in this case? I think OJ can probably come up with some better ones.
Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2026 9:58 pm
John Funk had a solution to this-Shape Notes.
Joseph Funk. I go past his house every day.
His system faded and was replaced by the standard do re mi scale, and his hymnal was rewritten to reflect that change. If you have a really old one, the shapes are a little disconcerting until you get used to it.
I've sung from the old ones. Sacred Harp singing is pretty awesome. The two fa's thing is weird.
Wesleyb wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2026 7:05 am
Joseph Funk. I go past his house every day.
His system faded and was replaced by the standard do re mi scale, and his hymnal was rewritten to reflect that change. If you have a really old one, the shapes are a little disconcerting until you get used to it.
I've sung from the old ones. Sacred Harp singing is pretty awesome. The two fa's thing is weird.
I've never sung it with a group. If I remember correctly wasn't Funk's hymnal written with three parts, tenor/alto sharing the same line. That would distinguish it from the real sacred harp which is always four parts. It's been awhile, maybe my memory is incorrect.
Wesleyb wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2026 7:05 am
Joseph Funk. I go past his house every day.
His system faded and was replaced by the standard do re mi scale, and his hymnal was rewritten to reflect that change. If you have a really old one, the shapes are a little disconcerting until you get used to it.
I'm guessing if Oasis used that system in one of their concerts it might not produce a lot of dancing. Is that what disconcerting means in this case? I think OJ can probably come up with some better ones.
If you are accustomed to the shapes indicating pitch, it is disorienting to discover the same shapes repeating on a different line.
His system faded and was replaced by the standard do re mi scale, and his hymnal was rewritten to reflect that change. If you have a really old one, the shapes are a little disconcerting until you get used to it.
I'm guessing if Oasis used that system in one of their concerts it might not produce a lot of dancing. Is that what disconcerting means in this case? I think OJ can probably come up with some better ones.
If you are accustomed to the shapes indicating pitch, it is disorienting to discover the same shapes repeating on a different line.
Why would that be? I grew up using shaped notes, and later learned to read standard notation, but I never had a problem understanding octaves.
GaryK wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2026 5:55 am
I'm guessing if Oasis used that system in one of their concerts it might not produce a lot of dancing. Is that what disconcerting means in this case? I think OJ can probably come up with some better ones.
If you are accustomed to the shapes indicating pitch, it is disorienting to discover the same shapes repeating on a different line.
Why would that be? I grew up using shaped notes, and later learned to read standard notation, but I never had a problem understanding octaves.
Most times if a certain shape of note repeats on a different line of the same staff I find I don't have enough vocal range to sing both of them.
I think OJ can probably come up with some better ones.