Maybe you have such a pastor at your church. If so, that's unfortunate.
Wait what? You started a thread to specifically talk about this metaphor. Maybe the problem is that your arguments aren't convincing rather than that JohnH is highly invested in the metaphor.Szdfan wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2026 11:51 am To me it seems that you are highly invested in this metaphor. I understand that you feel the word encompasses the systemic nature of sin. I think there’s plenty of systematic, prophetic language in the Bible that you don’t have to use that particular metaphor.
The usage of "infestation" that JohnH is defending is using the word to describe people in government positions and church leadership who are pretending to be righteous while living in deliberate sin.Szdfan wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2026 11:51 am Jesus did call people to repentance, but it also matters how he called people to repentance. He did call the religious elite “a brood of vipers.” That’s language directed to those who already have faith. This is language directed to people who already considered themselves righteous and faithful.
I don't think it's accurate to describe the Pharisees as having faith. Paul said that the things he did before his conversion he did in unbelief.