briar patch

[JohnH]

No, that's nonsense. That's your campaign, and you are a loyal soldier in that campaign, but it is not based on truth, and it is not based on the Gospel. It's also not Christlike.

How would you feel if JohnH used language like that to describe your honest beliefs?

Considering that JohnH calls my honest beliefs “evil,” I can tell you it’s not pleasant.

It’s the Bible that says it, not me. The Bible says that promoting homosexuality is evil.

[Szdfan]

How would you feel if JohnH used language like that to describe your honest beliefs?

Considering that JohnH calls my honest beliefs “evil,” I can tell you it’s not pleasant.

It’s the Bible that says it, not me. The Bible says that promoting homosexuality is evil.

So when you condemn my beliefs, that’s just faithfully applying Scripture. But when I criticize your behavior, that’s an unfair personal attack. I think that’s a glaring double standard.

What I find frustrating about interacting with you is that you insist we treat your feelings with extreme tenderness. You accused me of lying when I described you as a “Trump supporter,” even though you’ve written thousands of posts over the past decade defending him. Yet you can call my sincerely held beliefs evil and lecture me about my motivations, political loyalties, and how I’m captured by liberal ideology.

I understand that you believe Scripture requires you to call some beliefs sinful. That’s not the issue. My issue is that you routinely tell other people what they believe and why they believe it, while objecting when others do it to you.

I find that asymmetry deeply hypocritical.

[JohnH]

Considering that JohnH calls my honest beliefs “evil,” I can tell you it’s not pleasant.

It’s the Bible that says it, not me. The Bible says that promoting homosexuality is evil.

So when you condemn my beliefs, that’s just faithfully applying Scripture. But when I criticize your behavior, that’s an unfair personal attack. I think that’s a glaring double standard.

What I find frustrating about interacting with you is that you insist we treat your feelings with extreme tenderness. You accused me of lying when I described you as a “Trump supporter,” even though you’ve written thousands of posts over the past decade defending him. Yet you can call my sincerely held beliefs evil and lecture me about my motivations, political loyalties, and how I’m captured by liberal ideology.

I understand that you believe Scripture requires you to call some beliefs sinful. That’s not the issue. My issue is that you routinely tell other people what they believe and why they believe it, while objecting when others do it to you.

I find that asymmetry deeply hypocritical.

I’m fully aware of your feelings about me and I have been going on decades now.

[Szdfan]

It’s the Bible that says it, not me. The Bible says that promoting homosexuality is evil.

So when you condemn my beliefs, that’s just faithfully applying Scripture. But when I criticize your behavior, that’s an unfair personal attack. I think that’s a glaring double standard.

What I find frustrating about interacting with you is that you insist we treat your feelings with extreme tenderness. You accused me of lying when I described you as a “Trump supporter,” even though you’ve written thousands of posts over the past decade defending him. Yet you can call my sincerely held beliefs evil and lecture me about my motivations, political loyalties, and how I’m captured by liberal ideology.

I understand that you believe Scripture requires you to call some beliefs sinful. That’s not the issue. My issue is that you routinely tell other people what they believe and why they believe it, while objecting when others do it to you.

I find that asymmetry deeply hypocritical.

I’m fully aware of your feelings about me and I have been going on decades now.

Just treat people the way you want to be treated.

[JohnH]

Just treat people the way you want to be treated.

I would expect to be called out on stuff the Bible teaches against (and I think some people here have felt free to do that).

I have tried hard not to mis-represent your positions or attribute things to you that you don't believe or don't promote. I feel, though, in my arguments with you, that's usually what I'm up against. You've decided I'm some kind of Trump campaign employee and I can't do anything to get you to stop doing that.

[mike]

Just treat people the way you want to be treated.

...You've decided I'm some kind of Trump campaign employee and I can't do anything to get you to stop doing that.

Sigh.

• Use I statements. Speak for yourself and don't decide what someone else is meaning to say or exaggerate what someone else posts.

[JohnH]

Just treat people the way you want to be treated.

...You've decided I'm some kind of Trump campaign employee and I can't do anything to get you to stop doing that.

Sigh.

• Use I statements. Speak for yourself and don't decide what someone else is meaning to say or exaggerate what someone else posts.

Let me rephrase.

I feel that you have decided I'm some kind of Trump campaign employee, and I can't find any way to change your mind, and that you are on some kind of mission to prove to everyone else that I am. It doesn't matter how many times I disagree with Trump, say I don't like one of his policies, don't believe him, think he is outright being deceptive... nope, I have permanently become the "other" in your mind, the enemy, the person who is the problem, and I can't do anything to change it.

[Szdfan]

Just treat people the way you want to be treated.

I would expect to be called out on stuff the Bible teaches against (and I think some people here have felt free to do that).

I have tried hard not to mis-represent your positions or attribute things to you that you don't believe or don't promote. I feel, though, in my arguments with you, that's usually what I'm up against. You've decided I'm some kind of Trump campaign employee and I can't do anything to get you to stop doing that.

I’ve never said and I don’t think you’re a Trump campaign employee. That’s your characterization, not mine.

[Szdfan]

Let me rephrase.

I feel that you have decided I'm some kind of Trump campaign employee, and I can't find any way to change your mind, and that you are on some kind of mission to prove to everyone else that I am. It doesn't matter how many times I disagree with Trump, say I don't like one of his policies, don't believe him, think he is outright being deceptive... nope, I have permanently become the "other" in your mind, the enemy, the person who is the problem, and I can't do anything to change it.

I don’t think you’re the enemy. I don’t think you’re the other. I don’t think you’re the person who is “the problem.” Again, those are your characterizations, not mine.

I do deeply disagree with you. I do object to the language you use that I see as dehumanizing. I do object to conspiracy theories that have their roots in white supremacist groups. I think I should be able to push back on arguments I don’t agree with, just as you do.

But that doesn’t mean I think you’re “mini-Hitler” or a Nazi or a Trump campaign employee. It does mean I think you’re wrong.

[temporal1]

Sigh.

• Use I statements. Speak for yourself and don't decide what someone else is meaning to say or exaggerate what someone else posts.

o.there it is.nice.
i’d begun to wonder if this long time policy was to be abandoned.