I would like your help in identifying some foundational beliefs that govern how people go about applying the Word of God.
How would you reword the following?
Are there other foundational beliefs that govern how people go about applying the scriptures?
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Functional Positions in Applying the Word of God
1. If the Bible does not forbid something, it is permissible.
2. Whatever the New Testament holds up as a good thing to do, we should endeavor to do.
3. Individuals and churches should not expect people to do things that are not explicitly commanded in the Bible.
4. Individuals and churches should not expect people to do things that are not explicitly commanded in the Bible unless they can make a good scriptural case for it.
5. Elders/Overseers in the church must give account for how they rule the church. Jesus wants them to give instructions to the church and wants the church to obey them as long as it does not conflict with the higher laws of God.
6. Elders/Overseers can or should involve the congregation in establishing matters of practice whenever possible.
7. The church as a body should decide matters of practice. Elders/Overseers should not be giving directives beyond that.
8. Individuals should decide for themselves how to apply the Word of God. They should not feel obligated to subject themselves to any human being or to a corporate body.
Functional Positions in Applying the Word of God
Functional Positions in Applying the Word of God
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A wee little man can’t say, I’m sorry. A big man owns his mistakes and apologizes.
A wee little man trusts himself and his own discernment. A big man is humble enough to know that he needs the counsel and input of others.
A wee little man trusts himself and his own discernment. A big man is humble enough to know that he needs the counsel and input of others.
Re: Functional Positions in Applying the Word of God
The entire list seems to assume the Bible is primarily a clear set of rules. But much of Scripture comes to us as stories of people and communities struggling to follow God in complex and broken situations, and we learn from what they valued, what they got wrong, and how God dealt with them. Often, there simply is no black-and-white rule they could have followed to get it right. And I think that is one of the lessons we learn from the Bible.
So applying Scripture is not always just asking "what rule applies here?", but also asking "what did faithfulness to God look like in their situation?", and "Given that, what does that teach us about faithfulness to God in ours?".
Sometimes that is the difference between "tithing mint, dill, and cumin" and "the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness". When we discern a particular situation, we can do worse than to ask what justice, mercy, and faithfulness look like in the current situation, how best to live out love of God and love of neighbor, and how to keep our ears open to follow where our shepherd leads uus.
So applying Scripture is not always just asking "what rule applies here?", but also asking "what did faithfulness to God look like in their situation?", and "Given that, what does that teach us about faithfulness to God in ours?".
Sometimes that is the difference between "tithing mint, dill, and cumin" and "the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness". When we discern a particular situation, we can do worse than to ask what justice, mercy, and faithfulness look like in the current situation, how best to live out love of God and love of neighbor, and how to keep our ears open to follow where our shepherd leads uus.
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1. Are we discussing the topic? Good.
2. Are we going around and around in a fight? Let's stop doing that.
3. Is there some serious wrongdoing or relational injury? Let's address that, probably not in public and certainly not for show.
2. Are we going around and around in a fight? Let's stop doing that.
3. Is there some serious wrongdoing or relational injury? Let's address that, probably not in public and certainly not for show.
Re: Functional Positions in Applying the Word of God
I agree with this. What is a better term for what I was writing about?Bootstrap wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2026 5:57 pm The entire list seems to assume the Bible is primarily a clear set of rules. But much of Scripture comes to us as stories of people and communities struggling to follow God in complex and broken situations, and we learn from what they valued, what they got wrong, and how God dealt with them. Often, there simply is no black-and-white rule they could have followed to get it right. And I think that is one of the lessons we learn from the Bible.
So applying Scripture is not always just asking "what rule applies here?", but also asking "what did faithfulness to God look like in their situation?", and "Given that, what does that teach us about faithfulness to God in ours?".
Sometimes that is the difference between "tithing mint, dill, and cumin" and "the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness". When we discern a particular situation, we can do worse than to ask what justice, mercy, and faithfulness look like in the current situation, how best to live out love of God and love of neighbor, and how to keep our ears open to follow where our shepherd leads uus.
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A wee little man can’t say, I’m sorry. A big man owns his mistakes and apologizes.
A wee little man trusts himself and his own discernment. A big man is humble enough to know that he needs the counsel and input of others.
A wee little man trusts himself and his own discernment. A big man is humble enough to know that he needs the counsel and input of others.
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donnyto989
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Re: Functional Positions in Applying the Word of God
These are solid. Add a ninth position. The New Testament is a principles book, not a rulebook. That one lens changes how someone applies all eight.
Also add something about conscience and maturity. Stronger believers may have freedoms that should not be forced on weaker ones, and vice versa. That tension causes most practical disagreements in churches. Naming it helps.
Also add something about conscience and maturity. Stronger believers may have freedoms that should not be forced on weaker ones, and vice versa. That tension causes most practical disagreements in churches. Naming it helps.
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JohnL
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Re: Functional Positions in Applying the Word of God
Yep I agree. Especially when looking at #1. There's things that the Bible doesn't forbid because they didn't exist yet or weren't possible.donnyto989 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2026 3:10 am These are solid. Add a ninth position. The New Testament is a principles book, not a rulebook. That one lens changes how someone applies all eight.
Also add something about conscience and maturity. Stronger believers may have freedoms that should not be forced on weaker ones, and vice versa. That tension causes most practical disagreements in churches. Naming it helps.
Now we're seeing sex-change operations being possible I think we can apply the Bible teaching principle on clothing that men shouldn't pretend to be women and women shouldn't pretend to be men because the operations and the clothing are expressions of those perversions.
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”Try hard not to offend. Try harder not to be offended.” Robert Martz
Re: Functional Positions in Applying the Word of God
Glad to know you agree with AI's position on the Bible.JohnL wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2026 10:08 amYep I agree. Especially when looking at #1. There's things that the Bible doesn't forbid because they didn't exist yet or weren't possible.donnyto989 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2026 3:10 am These are solid. Add a ninth position. The New Testament is a principles book, not a rulebook. That one lens changes how someone applies all eight.
Also add something about conscience and maturity. Stronger believers may have freedoms that should not be forced on weaker ones, and vice versa. That tension causes most practical disagreements in churches. Naming it helps.
Now we're seeing sex-change operations being possible I think we can apply the Bible teaching principle on clothing that men shouldn't pretend to be women and women shouldn't pretend to be men because the operations and the clothing are expressions of those perversions.
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Re: Functional Positions in Applying the Word of God
I've been chewing on this for a few days, and I think I would add some categories to your list.. The ones you list are centered on rules, I think it's important to supplement that with a more wisdom-oriented, narrative, or discernment-based approach to applying Scripture.Ernie wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2026 10:26 pmI agree with this. What is a better term for what I was writing about?Bootstrap wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2026 5:57 pm The entire list seems to assume the Bible is primarily a clear set of rules. But much of Scripture comes to us as stories of people and communities struggling to follow God in complex and broken situations, and we learn from what they valued, what they got wrong, and how God dealt with them. Often, there simply is no black-and-white rule they could have followed to get it right. And I think that is one of the lessons we learn from the Bible.
So applying Scripture is not always just asking "what rule applies here?", but also asking "what did faithfulness to God look like in their situation?", and "Given that, what does that teach us about faithfulness to God in ours?".
Sometimes that is the difference between "tithing mint, dill, and cumin" and "the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness". When we discern a particular situation, we can do worse than to ask what justice, mercy, and faithfulness look like in the current situation, how best to live out love of God and love of neighbor, and how to keep our ears open to follow where our shepherd leads uus.
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1. Are we discussing the topic? Good.
2. Are we going around and around in a fight? Let's stop doing that.
3. Is there some serious wrongdoing or relational injury? Let's address that, probably not in public and certainly not for show.
2. Are we going around and around in a fight? Let's stop doing that.
3. Is there some serious wrongdoing or relational injury? Let's address that, probably not in public and certainly not for show.
Re: Functional Positions in Applying the Word of God
I'm glad to see what you come up with.Bootstrap wrote: ↑Sat May 23, 2026 11:18 amI've been chewing on this for a few days, and I think I would add some categories to your list.. The ones you list are centered on rules, I think it's important to supplement that with a more wisdom-oriented, narrative, or discernment-based approach to applying Scripture.Ernie wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2026 10:26 pmI agree with this. What is a better term for what I was writing about?Bootstrap wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2026 5:57 pm The entire list seems to assume the Bible is primarily a clear set of rules. But much of Scripture comes to us as stories of people and communities struggling to follow God in complex and broken situations, and we learn from what they valued, what they got wrong, and how God dealt with them. Often, there simply is no black-and-white rule they could have followed to get it right. And I think that is one of the lessons we learn from the Bible.
So applying Scripture is not always just asking "what rule applies here?", but also asking "what did faithfulness to God look like in their situation?", and "Given that, what does that teach us about faithfulness to God in ours?".
Sometimes that is the difference between "tithing mint, dill, and cumin" and "the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness". When we discern a particular situation, we can do worse than to ask what justice, mercy, and faithfulness look like in the current situation, how best to live out love of God and love of neighbor, and how to keep our ears open to follow where our shepherd leads uus.
I'm wanting to know the term for what I was writing about.
Is this better?
"What functional positions do people take relative to the commands of scripture and establishing rules for conduct?"
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A wee little man can’t say, I’m sorry. A big man owns his mistakes and apologizes.
A wee little man trusts himself and his own discernment. A big man is humble enough to know that he needs the counsel and input of others.
A wee little man trusts himself and his own discernment. A big man is humble enough to know that he needs the counsel and input of others.
Re: Functional Positions in Applying the Word of God
Or perhaps ...
Approaches to authority and discernment in applying Scripture
Or ...
Models of biblical authority and application
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1. Are we discussing the topic? Good.
2. Are we going around and around in a fight? Let's stop doing that.
3. Is there some serious wrongdoing or relational injury? Let's address that, probably not in public and certainly not for show.
2. Are we going around and around in a fight? Let's stop doing that.
3. Is there some serious wrongdoing or relational injury? Let's address that, probably not in public and certainly not for show.