JohnH wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2026 11:32 pm .. The same advice applies today, just to different partisan alignments.
i pretty much agree. Some see a savior, others see The End.
Difference being, large scale political organization, msm partisanship, Dept of Education .. versus grumbling individuals, mostly disorganized. disorganized is important. not as pretty, not as efficient, but important.
i’m still amazed Trump has the following he does, considering the massive differences in resources dedicated.
Evidently, through DOGE and post-DOGE, it’s been revealed, a lot of those resources were-are due to serious money laundering of taxpayer dollars.
i guess there must be a lot of people like me, i don’t see a savior, i don’t see The End, i don’t “like” him, i don’t hate him.
i guess it doesn’t occur to me to “like” any given POTUS, nor do i waste any time thinking about their stated religion.
That’s between them and God. i’m not expecting a pastor, priest or rabbi in the White House. i’m not expecting purity or a Puritan.
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i’m perfectly comfortable with an older, wiser, more docile Trump.
”Try hard not to offend. Try harder not to be offended.” Robert Martz
JohnH wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2026 11:32 pm .. The same advice applies today, just to different partisan alignments.
i pretty much agree. Some see a savior, others see The End.
Difference being, large scale political organization, msm partisanship, Dept of Education .. versus grumbling individuals, mostly disorganized. disorganized is important. not as pretty, not as efficient, but important.
i’m still amazed Trump has the following he does, considering the massive differences in resources dedicated.
Evidently, through DOGE and post-DOGE, it’s been revealed, a lot of those resources were-are due to serious money laundering of taxpayer dollars.
i guess there must be a lot of people like me, i don’t see a savior, i don’t see The End, i don’t “like” him, i don’t hate him.
i guess it doesn’t occur to me to “like” any given POTUS, nor do i waste any time thinking about their stated religion.
That’s between them and God. i’m not expecting a pastor, priest or rabbi in the White House. i’m not expecting purity or a Puritan.
t1, not to be rude but I seem to recall you were one of the people I used to argue with that Obama was not actually the end of the world, going to outlaw Christianity, never leave office, etc. etc.
This is what the pastor has said. What part do you have a disagreement with? Trump didn’t ask for this to be made did he? By the way, in heaven gold is “street material” but is the statue solid gold? I don’t know much about it
Pastor Mark Burns
@pastormarkburns
One of the greatest honors of my life was leading the dedication of President Donald J. Trump’s statue to the world.
What amazes me is how quickly some people have compared this beautiful statue, created and made possible by more than 6,000 patriots, to a golden calf or idol worship.
Let me be very clear.
We worship the Lord Jesus Christ and Him alone.
The Word of God says, “You shall have no other gods before Me.” Exodus 20:3.
It also says, “You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.” Matthew 4:10.
That is the line.
Honor is not worship.
Respect is not idolatry.
Celebration is not bowing down to a false god.
Romans 13:7 says, “Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.”
Giving honor where honor is due is biblical.
Bowing down and worshipping an idol is sinful.
There is a major difference.
This statue was not created for worship. It was created as a symbol of resilience, patriotism, courage, and gratitude. It was created to honor a man whom many may disagree with, but millions of Americans believe has done extraordinary things to make this nation stronger.
People celebrate athletes, musicians, entertainers, and cultural icons while they are still alive. Michael Jordan has a statue in Chicago. Cristiano Ronaldo, Taylor Swift, Shakira, Ed Sheeran, and many others have been honored publicly in different ways. Yet Christians were not screaming “golden calf” over those moments.
So why now?
You may dislike President Trump. That is your choice.
But you are in gross error if you think for one second that I worship this magnificent statue or anything made by human hands.
Acts 17:24 says, “God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands.”
My worship belongs to God.
My gratitude can still honor people.
My faith is in Christ.
My respect for a leader does not replace my reverence for the Lord.
Before you judge, condemn, or spread false accusations, use spiritual discernment.
1 John 4:1 says, “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God.”
Some of you know the voice of the Holy Spirit. Listen to that voice before you give room to the devil through lies, slander, and false judgment.
Ephesians 4:27 says, “Nor give place to the devil.”
We can disagree politically and still tell the truth spiritually.
Soloist wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2026 9:14 am
If the orthodox can bow, kiss and “vernate” an image and I call it idolatry, then I’d equally see this the same way.
What is vernate?
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Free Will Baptist <-> Anabaptist
”Try hard not to offend. Try harder not to be offended.” Robert Martz
Soloist wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2026 9:14 am
If the orthodox can bow, kiss and “vernate” an image and I call it idolatry, then I’d equally see this the same way.
What is vernate?
It’s to be young again.
If I was younger (or at least had my wife edit this first), the proper word would be “venerate”.
Soloist wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2026 9:14 am
If the orthodox can bow, kiss and “vernate” an image and I call it idolatry, then I’d equally see this the same way.
What is vernate?
It’s to be young again.
If I was younger (or at least had my wife edit this first), the proper word would be “venerate”.
Orthodox understand the difference between venerate and worship. Protestants do not understand it.
If I was younger (or at least had my wife edit this first), the proper word would be “venerate”.
Orthodox understand the difference between venerate and worship. Protestants do not understand it.
I think my point is that they understand it just fine demonstrated as above.
I think it’s just sophisticated word play and not actually reality but we’ve argued this before.