And one of the primary pushbacks is from you.JohnH wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2026 3:25 pmThe primary pushback is from the older women, one a retiree, the other is of retirement age yet still works, who are either Republicans or else conservatives, aren’t Mennonites or Anabaptists, and hold a very standard, mainstream evangelical position when it comes to politics.
I don’t think the noise on MennoNet is really doing much useful witnessing at all. There are far better venues to do so.
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"Woe to those who make unjust laws, to those who issue oppressive decrees, to deprive the poor of their rights and withhold justice from the oppressed of my people, making widows their prey and robbing the fatherless."
-- Isaiah 10:1-2
-- Isaiah 10:1-2
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Grace is CM and (in my view) a consistently worthwhile voice on forum) it would be great if there were more.JohnH wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2026 3:25 pm The primary pushback is from the older women, one a retiree, the other is of retirement age yet still works, who are either Republicans or else conservatives, aren’t Mennonites or Anabaptists, and hold a very standard, mainstream evangelical position when it comes to politics.
I don’t think the noise on MennoNet is really doing much useful witnessing at all. There are far better venues to do so.
The discussions i’m most interested in, all topics, are from CM perspective (i think that’s the initial draw for most new members) -
CM versus lib Anabaptist views help with discernment; for example, just above, the use of the pronoun “we” with reference to gov policies, also, just everyday chatter found online/everywhere. One member uses “we” in broad context, very like the lib world, another points out, “not so fast”. Both Anabaptists, neither retired. For me, the latter resonates with my understanding of scriptures.
CM versus lib Anabaptist views on politics pretty much dominate the politics subforum, the range is wide. Not necessarily by word-count, more by word-impact.
There is quite a range of beliefs within CMs .. recognizing some do not participate on forum at all. That’s a range, of itself.
In my view, they may not be obviously present - but they count. Silence is a form of and part of communication.
There is more to life than the obvious/superficial. i try to leave doors open for the unknown.
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i’m perfectly comfortable with an older, wiser, more docile Trump.
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T1, I hear the term libs or lib Anabaptist thrown around. What is your definition of a lib/lib Anabaptist?CM versus lib Anabaptist views help with discernment
I have friends and family who are very conservative politically and liberal politically and often that also translates into their theological- for lack of a better word- beliefs. But then it is interesting that the conservatives will accuse someone of being liberal and that same person is accused of being conservative by folks who lean left.
There are many folks who have leanings that are maybe on the liberal side but also on the conservative side. And most of them are very 'conservative' when it comes to their biblical beliefs. Again- conservative for lack of a better word.
So I am really curious- what makes you classify a person as liberal and what makes you classify someone as conservative?
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It is up to every individual how separate he or she wants to be. The more separate we are, the more we can honestly distance ourselves from anything the Empire says or does and promote a different kingdom.Szdfan wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2026 1:22 pmAs citizens of the United States who participate in this society to some degree or another, how separate are we really from the American Empire regardless of our loyalties?Bootstrap wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2026 12:23 pmI want everyone to understand that this is not "what Christians do" or "how Christians treat Muslims", but from their perspective, that's what these things often look like.
And sometimes people are doing these things in our name. Some people even use religious war framing.
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A wee little man trusts himself and his own discernment. A big man is humble enough to know that he needs the counsel and input of others.
A wee little man trusts himself and his own discernment. A big man is humble enough to know that he needs the counsel and input of others.
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Uh huh. We just spent the past sixty days or so arguing about Trump’s military action against Iran. Haven’t you been defending it?
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"Woe to those who make unjust laws, to those who issue oppressive decrees, to deprive the poor of their rights and withhold justice from the oppressed of my people, making widows their prey and robbing the fatherless."
-- Isaiah 10:1-2
-- Isaiah 10:1-2
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There are limits to the degree of separation for most of us. Even plain Anabaptists who pay their taxes are still indirectly contributing to the military budget.Ernie wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2026 5:24 pmIt is up to every individual how separate he or she wants to be. The more separate we are, the more we can honestly distance ourselves from anything the Empire says or does and promote a different kingdom.Szdfan wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2026 1:22 pmAs citizens of the United States who participate in this society to some degree or another, how separate are we really from the American Empire regardless of our loyalties?Bootstrap wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2026 12:23 pm
I want everyone to understand that this is not "what Christians do" or "how Christians treat Muslims", but from their perspective, that's what these things often look like.
And sometimes people are doing these things in our name. Some people even use religious war framing.
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"Woe to those who make unjust laws, to those who issue oppressive decrees, to deprive the poor of their rights and withhold justice from the oppressed of my people, making widows their prey and robbing the fatherless."
-- Isaiah 10:1-2
-- Isaiah 10:1-2
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If you'd like to debate politics (as opposed to history), there's a Politics subforum for there where I'd be happy to discourse with you further.
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Do you have some brilliant suggestion for how one can stop paying taxes?
I mean I guess I could lead the way by example - I have succeeded at costing the federal government far more than I pay in taxes (although not quite enough to net out my lifetime tax contributions). So I suppose I could say I've managed not to contribute to the military budget for the past few years.
However, I don't really see anyone else really advocating this. Taxpayers do not "contribute" taxes. The taxes are taken from them. When someone gets a paycheck, the taxes are already taken out. If they don't pay the taxes owed, the IRS will eventually place a lien on their house, bank account, etc. and seize the money. Nobody "contributes" taxes.
So I don't think it's fair to accuse less-poor Anabaptists of "contributing to the military budget", even indirectly.
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I’m not debating anything, just pointing out the argument you’ve been making ever since the war started.
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"Woe to those who make unjust laws, to those who issue oppressive decrees, to deprive the poor of their rights and withhold justice from the oppressed of my people, making widows their prey and robbing the fatherless."
-- Isaiah 10:1-2
-- Isaiah 10:1-2