Divorce, remarriage and your church

[JayP]

Yes, a marriage can be annulled, which I agree with. Now, does that mean I believe all annulments granted by the RCC were proper?
No. Do I look stupid?

Many institutions make mistakes. Far too many annulments in recent Catholic Church history are probably wrongly given.
But that does not change the truth that the annulment concept is invalid.

[Ernie]

Yes, a marriage can be annulled, which I agree with. Now, does that mean I believe all annulments granted by the RCC were proper?
No. Do I look stupid?

Many institutions make mistakes. Far too many annulments in recent Catholic Church history are probably wrongly given.
But that does not change the truth that the annulment concept is invalid.

Is there a scriptural basis for annulment as understood by the Catholic church?

[JayP]

Off the top of my head, I have no idea. I would thin’ they think so. But since they (and I) are concerned with Sola Scriptura why does that matter? You believe in annulments too.

If I put a gun to your head, and tell your daughter I am going to shoot you unless she says “I do” while someone goes through the marriage ceremony with us, do you consider it a valid marriage? She said all the relight words and an authorized official executed and recorded the marriage legally. Are we married?

No one really disagrees with the concept of annulment, they just disagree on which criteria results in one.

[barnhart]

Off the top of my head, I have no idea. I would thin’ they think so. But since they (and I) are concerned with Sola Scriptura why does that matter? You believe in annulments too.

If I put a gun to your head, and tell your daughter I am going to shoot you unless she says “I do” while someone goes through the marriage ceremony with us, do you consider it a valid marriage? She said all the relight words and an authorized official executed and recorded the marriage legally. Are we married?

No one really disagrees with the concept of annulment, they just disagree on which criteria results in one.

I don't agree. As a non-sacramentalist I believe the union is created by God when the participants agree, not when a ceremony is performed. A forced ceremony is meaningless, just as a forced baptism. There is no annulment for what has not happened.

[Judas Maccabeus]

Off the top of my head, I have no idea. I would thin’ they think so. But since they (and I) are concerned with Sola Scriptura why does that matter? You believe in annulments too.

If I put a gun to your head, and tell your daughter I am going to shoot you unless she says “I do” while someone goes through the marriage ceremony with us, do you consider it a valid marriage? She said all the relight words and an authorized official executed and recorded the marriage legally. Are we married?

No one really disagrees with the concept of annulment, they just disagree on which criteria results in one.

I don't agree. As a non-sacramentalist I believe the union is created by God when the participants agree, not when a ceremony is performed. A forced ceremony is meaningless, just as a forced baptism. There is no annulment for what has not happened.

Ultimately the RCC would largly agree with you. With annulment, they would say a valid marriage never happened.

[barnhart]

Off the top of my head, I have no idea. I would thin’ they think so. But since they (and I) are concerned with Sola Scriptura why does that matter? You believe in annulments too.

If I put a gun to your head, and tell your daughter I am going to shoot you unless she says “I do” while someone goes through the marriage ceremony with us, do you consider it a valid marriage? She said all the relight words and an authorized official executed and recorded the marriage legally. Are we married?

No one really disagrees with the concept of annulment, they just disagree on which criteria results in one.

I don't agree. As a non-sacramentalist I believe the union is created by God when the participants agree, not when a ceremony is performed. A forced ceremony is meaningless, just as a forced baptism. There is no annulment for what has not happened.

Ultimately the RCC would largly agree with you. With annulment, they would say a valid marriage never happened.

Right. Annulment only becomes a reality when the true event is brought about by ceremony standing alone.

Edit: The need for annulment arrises when ceremony alone performs the action. For example suppose one might arrange a priest to perform marriage on a person in a coma. I don't think that is valid thus annulment is irrelevant.

[Ernie]

I don't agree. As a non-sacramentalist I believe the union is created by God when the participants agree, not when a ceremony is performed. A forced ceremony is meaningless, just as a forced baptism. There is no annulment for what has not happened.

Ultimately the RCC would largly agree with you. With annulment, they would say a valid marriage never happened.

Right. Annulment only becomes a reality when the true event is brought about by ceremony standing alone.

I'm not understanding your speak.

[JohnH]

An example of a proper annulment is it turns out one person was already married to someone else, and so the other party did not enter into a valid marriage with them. Such a marriage should be properly annulled.

[JayP]

FWIIW, this is why I often refrain from. These types of threads. What is the point? No one came here trying to change your groups’ views on marriage. Someone asks or brings up other groups. So you do not agree with the Catholic approach, practice, or reasoning.

Got it. No surprise there. You are not changing, and I bet the Curia is not monitoring this either.

[Ernie]

I’m going to lay this down in the General Theology section because I’m interested in what your particular church teaches about this topic so that Anabaptist and not-Anabaptist can share.

I’m asking that no one pokes each other in the eye over differences in their churches.

The OP.