The Reformed Churches Promoting...

[Thomas_muntzer]

The Reformed Churches Promoting Male Authority, Headcovering, Congregagtional Singing, and Ending Women's Suffrage

With a particular focus on Kings Way Reformed Church

https://kingswaybible.org/start/

Welcome Video:

Headcovering: https://vintage-virtues.com/2025/05/02/ ... -with-jen/

Controversy: https://relearn.org/the-controversy-kin ... ral-flier/

NYT Article: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/02/us/h ... women.html

It seems to me that this person has very similar ideas to Doug Wilson, who is openly a Christian nationalist. I don't know how they reconcile the universal message of Christ with the development of a nationalist political project

[joshuabgood]

“You need both. Jesus’ apostles carried money and a sword. And when someone breaks into your home to rape your teenage daughters, the immediate need is not prayer, it’s a gun.” Dale Partridge

In other words, In Guns we Trust.

[Bootstrap]

There are several recent threads on groups that wear head coverings including nationalists and Muslims. Many weird cults do the same.

I think this is the danger in judging by the outside of the cup. Not everyone who wears head coverings is like plain Anabaptists.

[barnhart]

“You need both. Jesus’ apostles carried money and a sword. And when someone breaks into your home to rape your teenage daughters, the immediate need is not prayer, it’s a gun.” Dale Partridge

In other words, In Guns we Trust.

Gnostic dualism, Jesus saves the immaterial soul but Smith and Wesson save stuff in the material world. Different saviors for different realms.

Last week reading in preparation for Resurrection Sunday I was challenged by the words of the angel who rolled away the stone and sat on it. He said, "He is not here, he has risen just as he said." Jesus had told them right before holy week he must suffer, die and be raised but the trauma of the events had driven it from their minds. Similarly today we would do well to listen to the message of the angel and put confidence in the veracity of Jesus' words, even if it seems hopeless, irrational or the world turns to violence.

[JohnH]

“You need both. Jesus’ apostles carried money and a sword. And when someone breaks into your home to rape your teenage daughters, the immediate need is not prayer, it’s a gun.” Dale Partridge

In other words, In Guns we Trust.

Note this is the position of nearly all Christian denominations. (Some would prefer to call an outside person with a gun rather than carry it themselves). The only exception is the tiny sliver of plain Anabaptists

[Ernie]

There are several recent threads on groups that wear head coverings including nationalists and Muslims. Many weird cults do the same.

I think this is the danger in judging by the outside of the cup. Not everyone who wears head coverings is like plain Anabaptists.

Correct.

That is why I started a thread to understand more about the theology of King's Way and related churches.

Is King's Way independent? How many more churches think similarly to King's Way? Who do they fellowship with? How do they differ from other Reformed, Nationalist leaning churches? Etc.?

[MattY]

As I see it...

Traditional Reform: the church and state are co-equal partners in God's redemptive plan

American Protestant: the duty of the church is to infiltrate and control the state to perform God's plan through it.

Reconstructionist and Nationalist Reform: the state must be fashioned to protect and nurture the church and protect it from contamination or abuse.

Anabaptist: the kingdom of heaven is the stone from Daniel that is cut from the mountain that eventually covers the whole world, displacing government but in the current era exists as strangers and pilgrims, and sheep among wolves by the supernatural power of Jesus, not looking for nor needing the power of the state.

I'm don't understand the Catholic and Orthodox worlds enough to summarize their approaches but I suspect it is a combination of the church mentoring or shepherding the state to perform God's plan.

Your descriptions of Traditional Reformed and Anabaptist are pretty good. Not sure about the two in between. The view you list as the "American Protestant" view ("infiltrate and control") sounds too much like Dominionism which belongs under the Reconstructionist label. If you're intending to describe the evangelical view in America, it has more to do with a moral influence model, like this: Church and state are separate, in that there should never be an established church, but Christian values are vital for public morality and Christians should advocate for them in the public sphere.

Evangelicals who are dispensationalists have two competing influences on their view of church/state - the aforementioned American evangelical moral influence model, vs. dispensational skepticism of church/state union and Christians "ruling" in this era. Dispensationalists have tended to focus on the relationship of the church and Israel rather than the church and the state, but when they do talk about it, they tend to affirm a place for moral influence but add a cautionary note about the church being separate from the state and the church not being supposed to "rule" in this dispensation.

The Traditional Reformed view might be clarified like this: Church and state are distinct but complementary realms and Christ reigns as King over both. The church holds the power of the keys (matters of faith, salvation, and spiritual well-being), the state wields the power of the sword (keeping order and upholding justice), and both create an environment for the gospel to thrive.

The Reconstructionist view is that there is no neutrality in life: no neutral law, no religious neutrality, no divide between the secular and the sacred, no legitimate law outside of divine law, and no options in the entire sphere of human life other than God's way or man's way; therefore, all of society must be constructed according to God's law and there is no option for Christians to disengage from any sphere of society, nor to construct any type of religious order which will not eventually deny the religious liberty of God's enemies.

[barnhart]

As I see it...

Traditional Reform: the church and state are co-equal partners in God's redemptive plan

American Protestant: the duty of the church is to infiltrate and control the state to perform God's plan through it.

Reconstructionist and Nationalist Reform: the state must be fashioned to protect and nurture the church and protect it from contamination or abuse.

Anabaptist: the kingdom of heaven is the stone from Daniel that is cut from the mountain that eventually covers the whole world, displacing government but in the current era exists as strangers and pilgrims, and sheep among wolves by the supernatural power of Jesus, not looking for nor needing the power of the state.

I'm don't understand the Catholic and Orthodox worlds enough to summarize their approaches but I suspect it is a combination of the church mentoring or shepherding the state to perform God's plan.

Your descriptions of Traditional Reformed and Anabaptist are pretty good. Not sure about the two in between. The view you list as the "American Protestant" view ("infiltrate and control") sounds too much like Dominionism which belongs under the Reconstructionist label. If you're intending to describe the evangelical view in America, it has more to do with a moral influence model, like this: Church and state are separate, in that there should never be an established church, but Christian values are vital for public morality and Christians should advocate for them in the public sphere.

Evangelicals who are dispensationalists have two competing influences on their view of church/state - the aforementioned American evangelical moral influence model, vs. dispensational skepticism of church/state union and Christians "ruling" in this era. Dispensationalists have tended to focus on the relationship of the church and Israel rather than the church and the state, but when they do talk about it, they tend to affirm a place for moral influence but add a cautionary note about the church being separate from the state and the church not being supposed to "rule" in this dispensation.

The Traditional Reformed view might be clarified like this: Church and state are distinct but complementary realms and Christ reigns as King over both. The church holds the power of the keys (matters of faith, salvation, and spiritual well-being), the state wields the power of the sword (keeping order and upholding justice), and both create an environment for the gospel to thrive.

The Reconstructionist view is that there is no neutrality in life: no neutral law, no religious neutrality, no divide between the secular and the sacred, no legitimate law outside of divine law, and no options in the entire sphere of human life other than God's way or man's way; therefore, all of society must be constructed according to God's law and there is no option for Christians to disengage from any sphere of society, nor to construct any type of religious order which will not eventually deny the religious liberty of God's enemies.

I generally agree, the concept I was reaching for with the American Protestants (Evangelicalism) is controlling but from a distance to maintain the aura of separation.

The Reconstructionist view is often illuminated, as you suggest, by the elimination of neutrality. Example: worship of Jesus is good, therefore worship of other gods is evil, therefore it must be illegal and maybe should include the death penalty. In this environment freedom of conscience or religious liberty are dangerous and should be curtailed.

[JohnH]

There are several recent threads on groups that wear head coverings including nationalists and Muslims. Many weird cults do the same.

I think this is the danger in judging by the outside of the cup. Not everyone who wears head coverings is like plain Anabaptists.

Correct.

That is why I started a thread to understand more about the theology of King's Way and related churches.

Is King's Way independent? How many more churches think similarly to King's Way? Who do they fellowship with? How do they differ from other Reformed, Nationalist leaning churches? Etc.?

Organised reformed churches generally don’t subscribe to these extreme views, or else have very small networks and often argue about minutiae.

For example, Doug Wilson thinks infants should be fed communion and it should be mandatory for all members. This issue is so divisive that the rest of the reformed world really isn’t comfortable fellowshipping with him.

[joshuabgood]

There are several recent threads on groups that wear head coverings including nationalists and Muslims. Many weird cults do the same.

I think this is the danger in judging by the outside of the cup. Not everyone who wears head coverings is like plain Anabaptists.

Correct.

That is why I started a thread to understand more about the theology of King's Way and related churches.

Is King's Way independent? How many more churches think similarly to King's Way? Who do they fellowship with? How do they differ from other Reformed, Nationalist leaning churches? Etc.?

They are independent I believe. They fellowship/frequent...at least Dale does, with Joel Webbon who has a very similar (significant) online presence, and is a pastor of a similar church. There are others as well, as was mentioned, though he isn't as acerbic, Doug Wilson, etc.

I follow them online just to see what they are saying...