1 Corinthians 11 seems to teach otherwise. I consider it a mystery we don’t need to understand in detail, but obedience to the head covering clearly is some kind of witness to the “angels”.MattY wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2026 12:53 pmI'm aware some Christians have taught this. I first read it in a book my parents have, called Sunset of the Western Church, by Ellis Skofield. It turns head coverings into a lucky charm. I believe it's bunk. Head coverings are not magic. The protection of a Christian woman against evil spirits is the presence of the Holy Spirit in her life. It has nothing to do with head coverings.
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I would not say it has "nothing to do with head coverings". I think there has been plenty of times that men with evil spirits have not done what they wanted to because of women being veiled.MattY wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2026 12:53 pmI'm aware some Christians have taught this. I first read it in a book my parents have, called Sunset of the Western Church, by Ellis Skofield. It turns head coverings into a lucky charm. I believe it's bunk. Head coverings are not magic. The protection of a Christian woman against evil spirits is the presence of the Holy Spirit in her life. It has nothing to do with head coverings.
Head covering certainly doesn't protect women with the Holy Spirit from persecution or abuse in every situation, even though it may have staved off persecution or abuse in some situations.
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A wee little man trusts himself and his own discernment. A big man is humble enough to know that he needs the counsel and input of others.
A wee little man trusts himself and his own discernment. A big man is humble enough to know that he needs the counsel and input of others.
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Or otherwise stated, Christian women who have the Holy Spirit in their life will obey the scriptures, including passages in Corinthians.Ernie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2026 3:47 pmI would not say it has "nothing to do with head coverings". I think there has been plenty of times that men with evil spirits have not done what they wanted to because of women being veiled.MattY wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2026 12:53 pmI'm aware some Christians have taught this. I first read it in a book my parents have, called Sunset of the Western Church, by Ellis Skofield. It turns head coverings into a lucky charm. I believe it's bunk. Head coverings are not magic. The protection of a Christian woman against evil spirits is the presence of the Holy Spirit in her life. It has nothing to do with head coverings.
Head covering certainly doesn't protect women with the Holy Spirit from persecution or abuse in every situation, even though it may have staved off persecution or abuse in some situations.
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Or by passers by on the street. My gals were taught what triggers Muslim men. Some nationalists are worse than others.JimFoxvog wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2026 7:49 amNot here. Both forcing the hijab and requiring it are equally wrong. Religious practices should not be required or prohibited by governments.Anthony wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2026 9:45 pm Even though I am not Muslim or Iranian, i see the hijab requirement as a positive development, and feel more solidarity with the Ayatollah and the current regime than the Shah and its liberal outlook. Its tangentially in line with Scripture and our own Mennonite coverings.
Does anyone else think the same?
But religious observances should be a personal choice. Often, Muslim women who keep their heads covered are being coerced by males in authority over them.
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I don't know of any government that has forced public nakedness. I agree that forcing people to be publicly naked is wrong; it would offend people's freedom of religion. I don't know why we have to decide which is worse; both are wrong.
If you want to discuss policies of nudist resorts, that should be a separate topic.
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What the Shah did was enforce partial nakedness. I think that was wrong.JimFoxvog wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2026 7:45 amI don't know of any government that has forced public nakedness. I agree that forcing people to be publicly naked is wrong; it would offend people's freedom of religion. I don't know why we have to decide which is worse; both are wrong.
If you want to discuss policies of nudist resorts, that should be a separate topic.
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Banning the wearing of a hijab was wrong, I agree, but it seems a stretch to call it "partial nakedness".JohnH wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2026 8:22 amWhat the Shah did was enforce partial nakedness. I think that was wrong.JimFoxvog wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2026 7:45 amI don't know of any government that has forced public nakedness. I agree that forcing people to be publicly naked is wrong; it would offend people's freedom of religion. I don't know why we have to decide which is worse; both are wrong.
If you want to discuss policies of nudist resorts, that should be a separate topic.
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I'm referring to the ban on traditional clothing and requiring Western clothing.ohio jones wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2026 1:07 pm Banning the wearing of a hijab was wrong, I agree, but it seems a stretch to call it "partial nakedness".
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I haven't found evidence that any sort of required Western clothing was more revealing than the traditional clothing, particularly not to the degree that it could be called "partial nakedness".JohnH wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2026 1:16 pmI'm referring to the ban on traditional clothing and requiring Western clothing.ohio jones wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2026 1:07 pm Banning the wearing of a hijab was wrong, I agree, but it seems a stretch to call it "partial nakedness".
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This was the core of the controversy. People had traditional clothing that is roughly analogous to what typical plain Anabaptists would consider adequately covered. But to advance in society one had to adopt modern fashions.ohio jones wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2026 1:33 pmI haven't found evidence that any sort of required Western clothing was more revealing than the traditional clothing, particularly not to the degree that it could be called "partial nakedness".JohnH wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2026 1:16 pmI'm referring to the ban on traditional clothing and requiring Western clothing.ohio jones wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2026 1:07 pm Banning the wearing of a hijab was wrong, I agree, but it seems a stretch to call it "partial nakedness".
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