Any removal of the regime is going to have civilian casualties.Bootstrap wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2026 11:29 amCivilian casualties and war conditions almost always change public opinion. We no longer look like their liberators when we are killing civilians and bombing schools.
I could give you lots of examples from other wars, but I think you probably know them.
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Why should the US, the only country who has ever used nuclear weapons in combat, be trusted with them?
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I would suggest preparing your young people for the draft that is to come. It may be more difficult than in the past to claim, conscientious, objector status, make sure they understand that just membership in a peace church may not be sufficient.Szdfan wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2026 9:35 amI have forebears who were persecuted here in the US for their refusal to serve in the military. During WWI, one of my Great-Great Uncles was forced to boot camp and tortured. My grandmother was expelled from public school in the 1920s for refusing to say the Pledge of Allegiance.Valerie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2026 9:22 amYet they would feel insulted & discouraged by the attitudes here while they are willing to lay down their own lives that others might live. I do t expect to understand it all but I’ve been listening to those who are explaining it well as it is their, not our, area of expertise.
Certainly praying rather than criticizing the Lord would see as a better use of time. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous one availed much. Amen?
There were Mennonites who were imprisoned at Fort Leavenworth for refusing to enlist. Others faced mob violence for refusing to buy war bonds.
That history shapes how I understand conscience and war. For some of us here, dissent isn’t disrespect. It’s inheritance and faith.
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Withdrawing from the JCPOA in 2017 was a tremendous mistake. This agreement effectively prevented Iran from developing any kind of nuclear weapons capability. After its unilateral withdrawal (Iran had fully complied with its part of the agreement), the United States imposed severe sanctions that crushed Iran's economy, which has been the main factor in the anti-government protests of recent years.
Then, in the midst of negotiations, Israel attacked in 2025, and in 2026, using diplomatic negotiations as a distraction tactic and acting in bad faith, going against all the principles that govern diplomacy, the United States started the current war.
In the current war, Iran has been progressively responding to the attacks made by the United States, and despite all my contempt for the ayatollahs, it was the United States and Israel who first attacked civilian infrastructure, and Iran has only been responding in kind to those attacks that have the entire world on the brink of the worst economic crisis of the 21st century
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Exactly, not only did the United States lose support among the Iranian civilian population, who today have rallied around the Iranian regime because when your neighborhood is bombed, you unite with your enemy to defend yourself, but even worse, with the death of Ayatollah Khamenei, an 86-year-old octogenarian with prostate cancer (I don't really think he would have lived much longer naturally), his successors are far more radical. Ayatollah Khamenei had written two fatwas against the development of nuclear weapons; I don't think the new Iranian leadership shares that same perspective.
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But we used to have much more careful screening to minimize them. Pete Hegseth campaigned against that screening. And I think we see the result.
Preserving lives is not woke or feminine. You can do lots of pushups and still check carefully to see if you might be bombing a school or a hospital.
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1. Are we discussing the topic? Good.
2. Are we going around and around in a fight? Let's stop doing that.
3. Is there some serious wrongdoing or relational injury? Let's address that, probably not in public and certainly not for show.
2. Are we going around and around in a fight? Let's stop doing that.
3. Is there some serious wrongdoing or relational injury? Let's address that, probably not in public and certainly not for show.
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We'll probably have to agree to disagree, but I do not think the U.S. has been engaging in intentionally bombing schools.Bootstrap wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2026 2:27 pm But we used to have much more careful screening to minimize them. Pete Hegseth campaigned against that screening. And I think we see the result.
Preserving lives is not woke or feminine. You can do lots of pushups and still check carefully to see if you might be bombing a school or a hospital.
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Unintentionally bombing schools is still a problem.JohnH wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2026 5:57 pmWe'll probably have to agree to disagree, but I do not think the U.S. has been engaging in intentionally bombing schools.Bootstrap wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2026 2:27 pm But we used to have much more careful screening to minimize them. Pete Hegseth campaigned against that screening. And I think we see the result.
Preserving lives is not woke or feminine. You can do lots of pushups and still check carefully to see if you might be bombing a school or a hospital.
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The US had an obligation under international law to confirm the school wasn’t a civilian target and I’m not sure that Iranians who lost loved ones in that bombing are going to care whether it was intentionalohio jones wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2026 6:14 pmUnintentionally bombing schools is still a problem.JohnH wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2026 5:57 pmWe'll probably have to agree to disagree, but I do not think the U.S. has been engaging in intentionally bombing schools.Bootstrap wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2026 2:27 pm But we used to have much more careful screening to minimize them. Pete Hegseth campaigned against that screening. And I think we see the result.
Preserving lives is not woke or feminine. You can do lots of pushups and still check carefully to see if you might be bombing a school or a hospital.
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"Woe to those who make unjust laws, to those who issue oppressive decrees, to deprive the poor of their rights and withhold justice from the oppressed of my people, making widows their prey and robbing the fatherless."
-- Isaiah 10:1-2
-- Isaiah 10:1-2
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There are no obligations under "international law". Your argument would be quite a bit more persuasive if you claimed there is a moral obligation to try not to bomb schools, though.
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