Laying down your life

[temporal1]

Is communism worse than capitalism? Or is the problem with both the corrupt leaders?
I would say Christianity has quite a lot in common with communalism and to a lesser degree communism and even less capitalism.

The core difference though is compulsion. Ultimately, are Christians better off under a government who hates them or gives them things? I would point to Constantine as the answer and quote Tertulian paraphrased “the seed of the church is the blood of martyrs”

Communism is explicitly anti-Christian and has been since its founding.

Communalism is a different word from communism/Communism, even with shared root word.

It seems life on earth is best served by a capitalistic gov system that allows free choice, including communalism for those choosing it, rather than gov forced “sharing/taking” without free choice. Free choice includes the choice of atheism, it doesn’t force it.

These various concepts are difficult for the young and/or ignorant, who are easily tempted into grabbing superficial sound bites and runnng with them, without knowing important questions to ask. Social media is rife with it.

The young man understands a concept. Easily conscripted.
The old man knows which questions to ask before agreeing to anything.

The Young Man Knows the Rules, The Old Man Knows the Exceptions

"The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions"
highlights the difference between theoretical knowledge and practical wisdom.

This quote by Oliver Wendell Holmes Sr. emphasizes that youth often masters rules and formal knowledge, understanding them as fixed, impersonal truths, while experience teaches the subtleties and exceptions that rules cannot fully capture. Rules are clear, examinable, and reassuring, but life constantly presents exceptions that require judgment, discretion, and adaptability.
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i’d like the min voting age to be raised to 30-60-ish, to increase possibility of “practical wisdom”.
Marrying, starting a family, working, paying one’s own bills, typically adds to practical wisdom.

[JohnH]

I would support voting only for married folk with children.

[temporal1]

I would support voting only for married folk with children.

i’m for reviews. are you thinking of empty nesters, retireds, bereaved parents, etc.?
i’d seriously review highly touted women voting.

i like the idea that new, untested human laws* should be viewed as experiments, with built-in parameters for review of results, also, expiration dates for similar reason. laws outside God’s Law are only human reasoning experiments. undeserving of forever status and funding.

*like the untested Vermont law that Ken Miller became embroiled in.

[JohnL]

Wife: I actually agree that this seems to have been referring to a generalized statement about love of a person/ect. it is the greatest sacrifice you can do for a cause or a person, and what you are willing to die for is typically what you love most. People have been willing to die in protests, for loved ones, as kamikaze/suicide bombers, etc., so that does not automatically make it a Christian virtue. It does show the character of Christ though that He was willing to die for us while we were still His enemies.

Rom 5:6  For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Rom 5:7  For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9  Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Rom 5:10  For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Good verses.

[JohnH]

I would support voting only for married folk with children.

i’m for reviews. are you thinking of empty nesters, retireds, bereaved parents, etc.?
i’d seriously review highly touted women voting.

i like the idea that new, untested human laws* should be viewed as experiments, with built-in parameters for review of results, also, expiration dates for similar reason. laws outside God’s Law are only human reasoning experiments. undeserving of forever status and funding.

*like the untested Vermont law that Ken Miller became embroiled in.

Presumably married people with children remain married people with children for the duration of their children’s lives.

[ken_sylvania]

I would support voting only for married folk with children.

i’m for reviews. are you thinking of empty nesters, retireds, bereaved parents, etc.?
i’d seriously review highly touted women voting.

i like the idea that new, untested human laws* should be viewed as experiments, with built-in parameters for review of results, also, expiration dates for similar reason. laws outside God’s Law are only human reasoning experiments. undeserving of forever status and funding.

*like the untested Vermont law that Ken Miller became embroiled in.

Presumably married people with children remain married people with children for the duration of their children’s lives.

OH!

[ohio jones]

Presumably married people with children remain married people with children for the duration of their children’s lives.

In a world without death and divorce, that might be true. That is not the world we live in.

[JohnH]

Presumably married people with children remain married people with children for the duration of their children’s lives.

In a world without death and divorce, that might be true. That is not the world we live in.

Well, unmarried people without children wouldn’t be eligible to vote in this hypothetical democracy.

[Valerie]

Jesus taught very clearly against violence, killing, and hatred, all of which are part and parcel of war.

I agree yet most denominations believe that had nothing to do with the necessary place of each country to have an army to protect its people from evil leaders of other countries- for example I was brought up learning we could have fallen to communism just like other countries did, would we have been okay with that? Without our military being there to be willing to fight for our freedom we could be like many other countries that did fall to communism.

Is communism worse than capitalism? Or is the problem with both the corrupt leaders?
I would say Christianity has quite a lot in common with communalism and to a lesser degree communism and even less capitalism.

The core difference though is compulsion. Ultimately, are Christians better off under a government who hates them or gives them things? I would point to Constantine as the answer and quote Tertulian paraphrased “the seed of the church is the blood of martyrs”

It was the seed of the Church yet if we flee persecution to worship freely is that wrong? I think communism is worse as it denies Christ, and the freedom to worship

[R7ehr]

It was the seed of the Church yet if we flee persecution to worship freely is that wrong? I think communism is worse as it denies Christ, and the freedom to worship

If I understand you correctly, you seem to hold the idea that standing and killing someone (as a soldier) and being killed, is righteous.
But fleeing is deny Christ, even though He said to his listeners that when a foreign army invades, they should flee in Matthew 24:16.