Homeschooling Hits Record Numbers

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mike
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JayP wrote: ↑Sun Nov 30, 2025 10:18 pm I would be careful in both praise and condemnation of homeschooling.
We started homeschooling our children in the 1980s, very much in the “early days”. Now, our homeschooled through 12 daughter, but college educated with ironically a Masters in education (and 6 years teaching experience) has homeschooled her children (oldest now 13).

The reason I say avoid both praise and condemnation is having seen a LOT of homeschooling, I do not think you can draw firm conclusions. I have seen it done well, no better or worse than formal education, and done worse. It is too big a cross section, too many variations in how it is done to say definitively it is good or bad. Just as there are some fine schools, some that are meh, and some truly awful.
I agree. We homeschooled for 13 years before using private church school. Having about four years of that to compare with at this point, I do not believe they get a vastly better education in school, and for any student with even slight learning disabilities, I think home schooling is often a better learning environment than a school that is poorly equipped to deal with disabilities. I am told that our school consistently ranks poorly in reading comprehension on achievement tests when measured against other similar schools. We don't have that much to brag about over home schooling. But like you say, I've seen some less than ideal homeschool situations as well.

Just on the face of it, schools would seem to be a better and more efficient place for education. Many parents aren't trained to teach. Teachers theoretically are prepared for the academics. There is positive peer pressure for students to perform. There is more structure. Pooling resources is more efficient, and so forth.

But the reality on the ground in conservative Mennonite and Amish schools is that teachers typically have absolutely zero training for their jobs. It takes nothing but a reasonably good report of one's character and a grasp of basic literacy to get a job as a teacher. Teaching is viewed as much as a mission as a job, and the financial compensation typically isn't amazing. Teachers generally 'serve' for a short period before moving on to other pursuits. We don't have too many career teachers. The idea that homeschooling is necessarily an inferior method of education when compared to these private schools is misguided. Parents often have a greater motivation to see their children succeed, a better knowledge of their child's skills and abilities, and other things compared to a young teacher who has no children of their own and no experience.

But again, especially when there is a lack of structure, homeschooling can be really problematic.

I think the biggest objection to homeschooling in our church (it is not allowed, I believe, except in special circumstances) is that it is believed to cause less community cohesion and represents an individualistic mindset. I object to the idea that parents teaching their children is necessarily detrimental to church life, and I think that where a congregation struggles with fragmentation and individualism, it is due to other problems than homeschooling.
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I know that my cousin who lives in VA pulled his kids out of the public school when the school boards insisted on allowing biological males who claim to be trans females to use the women’s restrooms. The condescending and even hostile attitudes of the woke educators and woke school boards toward parents in a number of VA counties has led to an increase in homeschooling and also the enrollment in private church run schools.
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The variety of those comments demonstrates my point. I do not mean to discourage homeschooling (Hs). But I equally caution that simply “choosing homeschooling” does not guarantee an out come. And I could care less what the statistics are. My children were not statistics. If HS works well for 90% but my children are in the 10 it is not consolation. Similarly if it fails 90% of kids, but worked for mine, I am glad we did it.

That is NOT being uncaring, it’s about the point of WHY you do something, what are the goals you are setting, and are you being successful with it. We have children that went into the trades, and some that are grad school educated. ALL are successful. The question is not what path, the question is did you find the RIGHT path for you.

Indeed, much like church groups,
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JayP wrote: ↑Mon Dec 01, 2025 12:43 pm The variety of those comments demonstrates my point. I do not mean to discourage homeschooling (Hs). But I equally caution that simply “choosing homeschooling” does not guarantee an out come. And I could care less what the statistics are. My children were not statistics. If HS works well for 90% but my children are in the 10 it is not consolation. Similarly if it fails 90% of kids, but worked for mine, I am glad we did it.

That is NOT being uncaring, it’s about the point of WHY you do something, what are the goals you are setting, and are you being successful with it. We have children that went into the trades, and some that are grad school educated. ALL are successful. The question is not what path, the question is did you find the RIGHT path for you.

Indeed, much like church groups,
It’s entirely reasonable to speak about things like averages and discuss things in general.
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Do you try John or is it natural?
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JayP wrote: ↑Mon Dec 01, 2025 9:01 pm Do you try John or is it natural?
You just keep saying "Wow, it's just really completely unknowable how homeschooling compares to other education", when in fact some things are indeed knowable. Applied statistics in sociology is not exactly a mystery.

I might tell my wife, "I will be home tonight by 6 PM". Now, it's not an absolute certainty, but I apply statistics to estimate that there is a very high possibility of my arrival. My vehicle might break down or a giant earthquake might happen to open a chasm in the middle of the road, but I evaluate the likelihood of such things.

I would be an absurd person if I told my wife,
I do not mean to discourage the idea of me coming home tonight. But I equally caution that simply saying "I'll be home at 6" does not guarantee an outcome. And I could care less that the statistics are. If driving home works well for 99.99% but I'm in the 0.001% is it not a consolation. Similarly, if travelling via a Ford Pinto with a stick of dynamite in it fails 99.99% of travellers, but works fine for me, I'll be glad to do have done it.
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It must be natural. But I think you work hard at it too. I used to get mad at you. Now I just feel sorry
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JayP wrote: ↑Tue Dec 02, 2025 5:30 pm It must be natural. But I think you work hard at it too. I used to get mad at you. Now I just feel sorry
Is there a purpose to tossing out barbs like this in public?

JayP, I have a number of friends who are Catholic, and enjoy spending time with them and even discussing spiritual things. I also helped organize some Anabaptist & Catholic ecumenical dialogues and a future one is in the works. We are aware of our differences (including some rather pointed things in our confessions of faith and the Catholic equivalent thereof), but we also enjoy finding what things we have in common. Part of this starts with a respect for each other that we don't quite believe the exact same things, and also acknowledging that Catholics certainly believe they are the one true church, and other churches aren't; and likewise, my own denomination is the same, although other Anabaptists aren't. Occasionally there is a joke about our backgrounds, such as one about a BBQ hosted by Catholics and a number of Mennonites were invited... my friend said, "Don't worry, we aren't planning to tie any of you to the stake this time." (You would have to know us and how we interact to appreciate a certain level of "dark humour".)

My interactions with you, however, remind me far more of certain types of interactions with people from ultra-conservative Anabaptist backgrounds, and some of the reasons I dislike ultra-conservative Anabaptism: acting like even discussing certain things is wrong. Stating that things cannot be ascertained at all or are unknowable, even when they are. Sharply reacting to any criticisms of their denomination / church branch. Getting upset when other people discuss denominational matters or differences (or similarities) between various church groups.

In particular, Eastern Pennsylvania M.C. seems to have some of the highest concentration of the above. I think it may be instructive to attempt to "un-learn" some of these traits.
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Your arrogance as usual leaves me speechless. In the spirit of the season I will exercise a permanent ceasefire and simply ignore you from here out. Let me know in six years what church you are in then.
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JayP wrote: ↑Wed Dec 03, 2025 9:04 pm Your arrogance as usual leaves me speechless. In the spirit of the season I will exercise a permanent ceasefire and simply ignore you from here out. Let me know in six years what church you are in then.
? Not sure where the arrogance is. It was a friendly admonition to dial down the temperature a bit and perhaps reflect somewhat.

You are welcome to ignore my posts if you wish. I imagine I’ll be in the same church 6 years from now that I was 6 years ago - the church of God, the same one I believe you and many other believers are all part of, in a manner of speaking.
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