Is Jesus for “Law & Order?”

[Soloist]

I lean towards JohnH opinion....

Nowhere do I find in scripture, the thought that all the diverse, ethnic, and national peoples are to meld into 1 national identity. Even in the last chapters of the Bible (Rev 21, 22) it always refers to "nations" in plural form...not "nation" in singular form.

Peter Gentry, in his book "Kingdom through Covenant", states his opinion that God cursed the nations for their rejection of Him at the Tower of Bable...and now (according to Gentry) is slowly reversing the curse by bringing us into 1 nation and back to pre-Babel. This didn't make sense to me because I dont find that anywhere in scripture. It seems to me that Gods plan was to put diverse nations and borders in place for the peoples, yet humanity rebelled. Borders and nations are currently antagonistic, of course, which isn't Gods design...but that doesn't mean they have to be that way.

The Church is something entirely different. Its not restricted to borders and nations or ethnic groups...I think the theonomist would like us to think otherwise. But we would have to come to something extra biblical in order to establish "one nation" in Gods plans.

Wife: I’m just talking interracial marriage here. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with different cultures and languages, but I don’t see any reason we should treat any ethnicity differently from the others or avoid mingling. I appreciate being welcomed into a culture I wasn’t born into.

[Nomad]

I lean towards JohnH opinion....

Nowhere do I find in scripture, the thought that all the diverse, ethnic, and national peoples are to meld into 1 national identity. Even in the last chapters of the Bible (Rev 21, 22) it always refers to "nations" in plural form...not "nation" in singular form.

Peter Gentry, in his book "Kingdom through Covenant", states his opinion that God cursed the nations for their rejection of Him at the Tower of Bable...and now (according to Gentry) is slowly reversing the curse by bringing us into 1 nation and back to pre-Babel. This didn't make sense to me because I dont find that anywhere in scripture. It seems to me that Gods plan was to put diverse nations and borders in place for the peoples, yet humanity rebelled. Borders and nations are currently antagonistic, of course, which isn't Gods design...but that doesn't mean they have to be that way.

The Church is something entirely different. Its not restricted to borders and nations or ethnic groups...I think the theonomist would like us to think otherwise. But we would have to come to something extra biblical in order to establish "one nation" in Gods plans.

Wife: I’m just talking interracial marriage here. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with different cultures and languages, but I don’t see any reason we should treat any ethnicity differently from the others or avoid mingling. I appreciate being welcomed into a culture I wasn’t born into.

I guess I didn't assume JohnH to be saying that interracial marriage or cultural/ ethnic mingling as being wrong. Maybe I misunderstood.

[JohnH]

Wife: nobody is forcing anybody to. Just saying that God does not seem to be against interracial marriage. I think He cares more about what your future spouse believes than what they look like.

Specifically, God confused the tongues of the people of earth and scattered them into different people groups around the globe, and God has continued this confusion of the languages up to this very day.

It would appear, then, that God does indeed ordain that humans on earth be organised into ethno-linguistic groups.

[ohio jones]

Wife: nobody is forcing anybody to. Just saying that God does not seem to be against interracial marriage. I think He cares more about what your future spouse believes than what they look like.

Specifically, God confused the tongues of the people of earth and scattered them into different people groups around the globe, and God has continued this confusion of the languages up to this very day.

It would appear, then, that God does indeed ordain that humans on earth be organised into ethno-linguistic groups.

Do you expect that to persist through eternity, or will the tongues eventually be unconfused and the original creation order restored with everyone speaking German?

[temporal1]

OP:

I think that Christ is for law and order.
I don’t think he is for the kind of rioting that we witness where people get hurt.

^^Valerie, i’d like to know more about what you were thinking, if you see this.

Scriptures are filled with words of order and law, the 10 Commandments, the Sermon on the Mount, and more.

Law to love
https://forum.mennonet.com/viewtopic.php?t=3251

I for one am not interested in tearing Trump down. I want to see another Kingdom built. It won’t interfere with the current government. It will be near it but not touching it. It will pay total respect to the existing government, which I’m the biggest fan of. It’s my favorite place.

All Jesus Commands In a Single PDF
Writer: Darrell Stetler II
In the Great Commission, Jesus defines discipleship as "teaching them to observe everything I've commanded you."
He also said, "If you love me, keep my commands." I'd say that means the stakes are pretty high!

But what commands did Jesus give? Do most church attenders even know?

https://www.newstartdiscipleship.com/po ... nds-in-pdf

The PDF lists 48 commands.
None suggest rebelling against earthly government. All can be accomplished under any government, or as a prisoner or slave.
Jesus Christ empowers as no other.

No wonder He was/is a threat to kings.

[Valerie]

Wife: nobody is forcing anybody to. Just saying that God does not seem to be against interracial marriage. I think He cares more about what your future spouse believes than what they look like.

Specifically, God confused the tongues of the people of earth and scattered them into different people groups around the globe, and God has continued this confusion of the languages up to this very day.

It would appear, then, that God does indeed ordain that humans on earth be organised into ethno-linguistic groups.

Do you expect that to persist through eternity, or will the tongues eventually be unconfused and the original creation order restored with everyone speaking German?

When the New Jerusalem comes down from heaven on the new earth after the old has passed away I think of this passage in Revelations 22 (the entire chapter is so beautiful!)
22 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

Not sure and always wondered what is meant by “the healing of the nations” but it does convey there will be “nations” into eternity, perhaps the healing removes the confused languages & borders at that point?

Revelation 7:9 is a beautiful picture of what Spistle John saw at the throne of God:

“After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands,”

From that it’s hard to say if he heard different tongues in heaven or not- God confused the languages for a reason that will not be the case in the heavenly kingdom- it just doesn’t exactly tell us what language will be spoken by all.

[Valerie]

OP:

I think that Christ is for law and order.
I don’t think he is for the kind of rioting that we witness where people get hurt.

^^Valerie, i’d like to know more about what you were thinking, if you see this.

Scriptures are filled with words of order and law, the 10 Commandments, the Sermon on the Mount, and more.

Law to love
https://forum.mennonet.com/viewtopic.php?t=3251

I for one am not interested in tearing Trump down. I want to see another Kingdom built. It won’t interfere with the current government. It will be near it but not touching it. It will pay total respect to the existing government, which I’m the biggest fan of. It’s my favorite place.

All Jesus Commands In a Single PDF
Writer: Darrell Stetler II
In the Great Commission, Jesus defines discipleship as "teaching them to observe everything I've commanded you."
He also said, "If you love me, keep my commands." I'd say that means the stakes are pretty high!

But what commands did Jesus give? Do most church attenders even know?

https://www.newstartdiscipleship.com/po ... nds-in-pdf

The PDF lists 48 commands.
None suggest rebelling against earthly government. All can be accomplished under any government, or as a prisoner or slave.
Jesus Christ empowers as no other.

No wonder He was/is a threat to kings.

Your post conveys what I was thinking and I’m not sure why this topic started.

[temporal1]

Your post conveys what I was thinking and I’m not sure why this topic started.

i wasn’t expecting a reply at this hour!
funny. so much of what i believe, how i think, is influence from early MD.
i think it was Skyler who quoted “law to love” in his signature line. i pursued it and learned to love it, too.
so many things, tho. many great messages.

[Valerie]

Your post conveys what I was thinking and I’m not sure why this topic started.

i wasn’t expecting a reply at this hour!
funny. so much of what i believe, how i think, is influence from early MD.
i think it was Skyler who quoted “law to love” in his signature line. i pursued it and learned to love it, too.
so many things, tho. many great messages.

I do miss many former MDrs-
Fell asleep early, woke way too early but it is quiet!

[temporal1]

Your post conveys what I was thinking and I’m not sure why this topic started.

i wasn’t expecting a reply at this hour!
funny. so much of what i believe, how i think, is influence from early MD.
i think it was Skyler who quoted “law to love” in his signature line. i pursued it and learned to love it, too.
so many things, tho. many great messages.

I do miss many former MDrs-
Fell asleep early, woke way too early but it is quiet!

They’re all grown up now.
i’d still like to try Skyler’s chocolate cheesecake he wrote about!