Bonhoeffer on Christ, the Church, and Resistance

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barnhart wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 12:56 pm
mike wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 11:37 am I have read Cost of Discipleship. It's been awhile. But I remember being really puzzled after I finished it why Bonhoeffer got involved in a plot to kill Hitler given what he said about the Christian and violence.
https://spotify.link/5T4v6C3LCXb

This interview might give you another viewpoint on Bonhoeffer. If you don't do Spotify, Google "Theology in the raw, Mark Thiessen, Who was Bonhoeffer."
Is this what you are thinking of? Haven't seen it yet ...

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barnhart wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 12:56 pm
mike wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 11:37 am I have read Cost of Discipleship. It's been awhile. But I remember being really puzzled after I finished it why Bonhoeffer got involved in a plot to kill Hitler given what he said about the Christian and violence.
https://spotify.link/5T4v6C3LCXb

This interview might give you another viewpoint on Bonhoeffer. If you don't do Spotify, Google "Theology in the raw, Mark Thiessen, Who was Bonhoeffer."
Thanks. I'll try to remember to check this out when I'm on the road.
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Bootstrap wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 2:52 am "We are not to simply bandage the wounds of victims beneath the wheels of injustice, we are to drive a spoke into the wheel itself."
In meme form:

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mike wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 1:54 pm
barnhart wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 12:56 pm
mike wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 11:37 am I have read Cost of Discipleship. It's been awhile. But I remember being really puzzled after I finished it why Bonhoeffer got involved in a plot to kill Hitler given what he said about the Christian and violence.
https://spotify.link/5T4v6C3LCXb

This interview might give you another viewpoint on Bonhoeffer. If you don't do Spotify, Google "Theology in the raw, Mark Thiessen, Who was Bonhoeffer."
Thanks. I'll try to remember to check this out when I'm on the road.
Post your reaction after hearing it. He seems to have done the research, reading all source material in original language ect...
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Something that’s always fascinated me about Bonhoeffer is when he embraced the use of force. I try not to judge someone in his shoes too harshly, but instead ask what could make me end up at the same position.
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Bootstrap wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 1:45 pm
barnhart wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 12:56 pm
mike wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 11:37 am I have read Cost of Discipleship. It's been awhile. But I remember being really puzzled after I finished it why Bonhoeffer got involved in a plot to kill Hitler given what he said about the Christian and violence.
https://spotify.link/5T4v6C3LCXb

This interview might give you another viewpoint on Bonhoeffer. If you don't do Spotify, Google "Theology in the raw, Mark Thiessen, Who was Bonhoeffer."
Is this what you are thinking of? Haven't seen it yet ...

Mark was one of my seminary profs. I rented a room in his basement.
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Szdfan wrote: ↑Wed Oct 22, 2025 9:37 am Mark was one of my seminary profs. I rented a room in his basement.
Interesting. What do you think of his thesis.
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Szdfan wrote: ↑Wed Oct 22, 2025 9:37 am Mark was one of my seminary profs. I rented a room in his basement.
I met him and talked to him at a conference last year. Bonhoeffer is a major area of study for him now.
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barnhart wrote: ↑Wed Oct 22, 2025 10:04 am
Szdfan wrote: ↑Wed Oct 22, 2025 9:37 am Mark was one of my seminary profs. I rented a room in his basement.
Interesting. What do you think of his thesis.
I haven't really paid attention to it. I'll go watch the video. He was working on a biography of John Howard Yoder when I was in seminary and shifted after Yoder fell out of favor.
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Maybe I'll spill the beans on his thesis. He suggests that there is no evidence that Bonhoeffer participated in the assassination plot. The closest evidence is he most likely introduced his brother-in-law, a known collaborator, to contacts outside Germany while traveling abroad on church work. He suggests that post war evangelicals injected him into the plot after the fact to create a more heroic profile.
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