Saturday sabbath or Sunday-does it matter?

[Bootstrap]

I was referring to the name. Our days of the week are named after the Roman names for the sun and moon and 5 visible planets and not anything Biblical. There is nothing that says Sunday (after the sun) needs to be the first day of the week.

Sure. With the Western calendar, some countries start the week with Sunday, some with Monday, some with Saturday. Not all cultures have had weeks. Not all cultures with weeks had 7 day weeks.

But when the Bible talks about the first day and the seventh day, it's using the Hebrew calendar.

[Ken]

I was referring to the name. Our days of the week are named after the Roman names for the sun and moon and 5 visible planets and not anything Biblical. There is nothing that says Sunday (after the sun) needs to be the first day of the week.

Sure. With the Western calendar, some countries start the week with Sunday, some with Monday, some with Saturday. Not all cultures have had weeks. Not all cultures with weeks had 7 day weeks.

But when the Bible talks about the first day and the seventh day, it's using the Hebrew calendar.

Which we don't in fact use: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_calendar

According to the Hebrew Calendar, the current Hebrew year, AM 5785, began at sunset on 2 October 2024 and will end at sunset on 22 September 2025. And none of the sabbath days in the Hebrew calendar correspond to Saturdays in the Gregorian calendar except when it happens by chance.

[R7ehr]

According to the Hebrew Calendar, the current Hebrew year, AM 5785, began at sunset on 2 October 2024 and will end at sunset on 22 September 2025. And none of the sabbath days in the Hebrew calendar correspond to Saturdays in the Gregorian calendar except when it happens by chance.

Are you quite certain that if we could/were to count backwards through history to 1 B.C., that the day we call Saturday, and the historic Sabbath/7th day of 1 B.C., would not be synced?

[Soloist]

According to the Hebrew Calendar, the current Hebrew year, AM 5785, began at sunset on 2 October 2024 and will end at sunset on 22 September 2025. And none of the sabbath days in the Hebrew calendar correspond to Saturdays in the Gregorian calendar except when it happens by chance.

Are you quite certain that if we could/were to count backwards through history to 1 B.C., that the day we call Saturday, and the historic Sabbath/7th day of 1 B.C., would not be synced?

I seem to recall there was 2 if not 3 separate events that the calendar was miscounted or something like that throwing it off

[R7ehr]

According to the Hebrew Calendar, the current Hebrew year, AM 5785, began at sunset on 2 October 2024 and will end at sunset on 22 September 2025. And none of the sabbath days in the Hebrew calendar correspond to Saturdays in the Gregorian calendar except when it happens by chance.

Are you quite certain that if we could/were to count backwards through history to 1 B.C., that the day we call Saturday, and the historic Sabbath/7th day of 1 B.C., would not be synced?

I seem to recall there was 2 if not 3 separate events that the calendar was miscounted or something like that throwing it off

If one of those were the 10 days removed in October of 1582, the 7th day sequence was not thrown off. In 1582, September 29 was "Saturday" and seven days later, we have October 16 as the next "Saturday".

Same thing in September of 1752. In 1752, August 29 was "Saturday", and seven days later we have September 16 as "Saturday".

[Ken]

Are you quite certain that if we could/were to count backwards through history to 1 B.C., that the day we call Saturday, and the historic Sabbath/7th day of 1 B.C., would not be synced?

I seem to recall there was 2 if not 3 separate events that the calendar was miscounted or something like that throwing it off

If one of those were the 10 days removed in October of 1582, the 7th day sequence was not thrown off. In 1582, September 29 was "Saturday" and seven days later, we have October 16 as the next "Saturday".

Same thing in September of 1752. In 1752, August 29 was "Saturday", and seven days later we have September 16 as "Saturday".

There have been various adjustments over the centuries and millennia. Conservative Jews of course claim that their calendar is unbroken and accurate to the exact day going all the way back the moment of creation 5785 years ago. But that is an article of faith, not actual history. There are many centuries of gaps in the historic record. And many different cultures have used different calendars including the Greeks and Romans.

[R7ehr]

I seem to recall there was 2 if not 3 separate events that the calendar was miscounted or something like that throwing it off

If one of those were the 10 days removed in October of 1582, the 7th day sequence was not thrown off. In 1582, September 29 was "Saturday" and seven days later, we have October 16 as the next "Saturday".

Same thing in September of 1752. In 1752, August 29 was "Saturday", and seven days later we have September 16 as "Saturday".

There have been various adjustments over the centuries and millennia. Conservative Jews of course claim that their calendar is unbroken and accurate to the exact day going all the way back the moment of creation 5785 years ago. But that is an article of faith, not actual history. There are many centuries of gaps in the historic record. And many different cultures have used different calendars including the Greeks and Romans.

So do you have any evidence that the seven day sequence has been thrown off in the last 2,000 years, causing us to mistakenly think that a day other than our Saturday would sync to the weekly Sabbath day that Jesus would have practiced?

[Ken]

If one of those were the 10 days removed in October of 1582, the 7th day sequence was not thrown off. In 1582, September 29 was "Saturday" and seven days later, we have October 16 as the next "Saturday".

Same thing in September of 1752. In 1752, August 29 was "Saturday", and seven days later we have September 16 as "Saturday".

There have been various adjustments over the centuries and millennia. Conservative Jews of course claim that their calendar is unbroken and accurate to the exact day going all the way back the moment of creation 5785 years ago. But that is an article of faith, not actual history. There are many centuries of gaps in the historic record. And many different cultures have used different calendars including the Greeks and Romans.

So do you have any evidence that the seven day sequence has been thrown off in the last 2,000 years, causing us to mistakenly think that a day other than our Saturday would sync to the weekly Sabbath day that Jesus would have practiced?

It isn't just 2,000 years. Judaism just takes it on faith that the sabbath practiced by say Moses during the Bronze Age aligns perfectly with the sabbath practiced today despite centuries upon centuries of complete gaps in the historic record. And many empires with different calendar systems coming and going during that time. There are also big gaps in the dark ages from the fall of Rome in the 5th Century to the early Medieval period in the 10th Century. Our current Gregorian Calendar wasn't adopted until 1582.

One can certainly make the claim that the Hebrew Calendar is perfectly accurate and traces an accurate and unending series of 7-day weeks all the way back to creation in the year 5785. Such that the sabbath practiced by Moses in the 10 commandments aligns perfectly with our modern Saturday. But that is an article of faith, not history.

[Bootstrap]

According to the Hebrew Calendar, the current Hebrew year, AM 5785, began at sunset on 2 October 2024 and will end at sunset on 22 September 2025. And none of the sabbath days in the Hebrew calendar correspond to Saturdays in the Gregorian calendar except when it happens by chance.

Are you quite certain that if we could/were to count backwards through history to 1 B.C., that the day we call Saturday, and the historic Sabbath/7th day of 1 B.C., would not be synced?

I seem to recall there was 2 if not 3 separate events that the calendar was miscounted or something like that throwing it off

I imagine you are thinking of the change from the Julian Calendar to the Gregorian Calendar, extra days added to approximate leap year, etc.

But that kind of thing didn't affect week days. I am unaware of any time that a day of the week was added or subtracted between biblical times and now.

[R7ehr]

There have been various adjustments over the centuries and millennia. Conservative Jews of course claim that their calendar is unbroken and accurate to the exact day going all the way back the moment of creation 5785 years ago. But that is an article of faith, not actual history. There are many centuries of gaps in the historic record. And many different cultures have used different calendars including the Greeks and Romans.

So do you have any evidence that the seven day sequence has been thrown off in the last 2,000 years, causing us to mistakenly think that a day other than our Saturday would sync to the weekly Sabbath day that Jesus would have practiced?

It isn't just 2,000 years. Judaism just takes it on faith that the sabbath practiced by say Moses during the Bronze Age aligns perfectly with the sabbath practiced today despite centuries upon centuries of complete gaps in the historic record. And many empires with different calendar systems coming and going during that time. There are also big gaps in the dark ages from the fall of Rome in the 5th Century to the early Medieval period in the 10th Century. Our current Gregorian Calendar wasn't adopted until 1582.

One can certainly make the claim that the Hebrew Calendar is perfectly accurate and traces an accurate and unending series of 7-day weeks all the way back to creation in the year 5785. Such that the sabbath practiced by Moses in the 10 commandments aligns perfectly with our modern Saturday. But that is an article of faith, not history.

So your answer to the question more succinctly, is….?