$138M??

[Ken]

The amount of school shootings has significantly increased since then too; is Social Security responsible for that?

Child poverty and starvation from lack of food has become virtually nonexistent. Did SS do that?

Social Security has dramatically decreased the poverty rate among the elderly.

It has also dramatically reduced the poverty rate for dependent children who are orphaned by the death of a parent. About 1.3 orphaned minor children receive survivor benefits from Social Security. And millions more minor children live with and are supported by grandparents who are on Social Security and who are therefore, indirectly clothed, fed, housed, and supported by Social Security.

Are you even trying to argue this point?

It’s a rather large leap to give SS credit for all that. If working people didn’t have 15% of their wages stolen from them, then they might have been able to fund their own charitable schemes.

Case in point - the Amish don’t participate in SS. They also don’t hav a problem with children whose parents die not being supported, impoverished elderly, or grinding poverty in general.

It is no leap at all. Endless studies and analyses have come to that same conclusion.

[ohio jones]

It is no leap at all.

It's a leap from Mr. Heller, who as far as we know has not applied for Social Security, and seems to be headed toward poverty rather than away from it. Let's get back to the subject of the thread.

[Judas Maccabeus]

It is no leap at all.

It's a leap from Mr. Heller, who as far as we know has not applied for Social Security, and seems to be headed toward poverty rather than away from it. Let's get back to the subject of the thread.

Poverty? Likely three hots and a cot (except on weekends).

[the-real-steve]

Released on bail:

https://lancasteronline.com/news/local/ ... %20Reading

[the-real-steve]

The Latest news on Daryl Heller, announcing he has been arrested, the link posted by Steve says this:

The filing of federal charges caps a stunning fall from grace for Heller, 55, a Lancaster County native who grew up in a conservative Mennonite family where his father was the pastor of the church that had also been led by his grandfather.

Daryl Heller's parents and grandparents, nor their church affiliation has anything to do with the choices he made.

If that is the only context then yeah, seems a little gratuitous.

But if his Menno past and connections were part of his affinity scam and he targeted his fraud at the conservative Menno community (as seems to have been the case) then it would be a legitimate part of the news story.

At first I thought Grace was delusional, but I'm starting to see it now.

[JohnH]

Ridiculous for the Feds to claim he’s a flight risk. He hasn’t so far fled anywhere.

Heller will also be on electronic monitoring and must surrender his passport. However, his attorney is permitted to hold onto it until Heller is able to get a Real ID in case he needs to travel elsewhere and such travel would have to be permitted by pretrial services.

You can’t enter a federal building now without a Real ID, so they have to let him hold on to this passport. Maybe the federal government should have rethought their ridiculous ID rules.

[Ken]

Ridiculous for the Feds to claim he’s a flight risk. He hasn’t so far fled anywhere.

Heller will also be on electronic monitoring and must surrender his passport. However, his attorney is permitted to hold onto it until Heller is able to get a Real ID in case he needs to travel elsewhere and such travel would have to be permitted by pretrial services.

You can’t enter a federal building now without a Real ID, so they have to let him hold on to this passport. Maybe the federal government should have rethought their ridiculous ID rules.

Criminals are brought into federal buildings every day without real ID. The lack of an ID won't be any obstacle to trying him in a federal courthouse. Just for getting on an airplane.

In any event, determining if someone is a flight risk is a criteria-based process. It isn't arbitrary. They look at things like family and employment ties in the community. And whether the person has the financial means to abscond. Heller has burned his ties to the community and has possibly hidden away large sums of ill-gotten gains. So he would likely meet the criteria. They aren't denying him bail, just making reasonable steps to make sure he sticks around.

[Judas Maccabeus]

Ridiculous for the Feds to claim he’s a flight risk. He hasn’t so far fled anywhere.

Heller will also be on electronic monitoring and must surrender his passport. However, his attorney is permitted to hold onto it until Heller is able to get a Real ID in case he needs to travel elsewhere and such travel would have to be permitted by pretrial services.

You can’t enter a federal building now without a Real ID, so they have to let him hold on to this passport. Maybe the federal government should have rethought their ridiculous ID rules.

He has no driver's license? Most of them are real IDs, since I repeatedly board commercial flights with them.

[Ken]

Ridiculous for the Feds to claim he’s a flight risk. He hasn’t so far fled anywhere.

Heller will also be on electronic monitoring and must surrender his passport. However, his attorney is permitted to hold onto it until Heller is able to get a Real ID in case he needs to travel elsewhere and such travel would have to be permitted by pretrial services.

You can’t enter a federal building now without a Real ID, so they have to let him hold on to this passport. Maybe the federal government should have rethought their ridiculous ID rules.

He has no driver's license? Most of them are real IDs, since I repeatedly board commercial flights with them.

Probably an old one from before the Real ID requirements kicked in.

My wife's isn't a Real ID because she kept renewing it online and never went into the DMV with proof of citizenship to upgrade it to a Real ID. And so now has to carry her passport when flying until she finally bothers to make an in-person appointment to upgrade her license.

[sojourner]

Ridiculous for the Feds to claim he’s a flight risk. He hasn’t so far fled anywhere.

Heller will also be on electronic monitoring and must surrender his passport. However, his attorney is permitted to hold onto it until Heller is able to get a Real ID in case he needs to travel elsewhere and such travel would have to be permitted by pretrial services.

You can’t enter a federal building now without a Real ID, so they have to let him hold on to this passport. Maybe the federal government should have rethought their ridiculous ID rules.

He has no driver's license? Most of them are real IDs, since I repeatedly board commercial flights with them.

I suppose you aren't from Pennsylvania. Pa was one of the last states to even offer a Real ID. Then Covid happened and it was delayed yet again. I only recently got a Real ID which was my first opportunity to do so. It's not mandatory either. My guess is a lot of Pennsylvanians still don't have a Real ID.