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[ohio jones]

... I sense some bias here.

I don't like women?

[R7ehr]

... I sense some bias here.

I don't like women?

You have a grammar bias.

[Valerie]

... I sense some bias here.

I don't like women?

You have a grammar bias.

You assumed gender bias.

[temporal1]

never disappoints

[temporal1]

Jeremy,
You are free to your opinions.

i’m not sure why you persist in failing to distinguish extreme rhetoric, and actions, including violence, led by PUBLIC FIGURES,
from “simple” (simple in U.S. terms, protected by the very important 1st Amendment) criticism, esp by ordinary legal citizens.

examples are the words you use to address me on this forum. personal, critical and even cruel, yet, protected speech.
thankfully, scriptures warn that life can be hurtful.

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this TDS discussion now kind of reminds me of where we started - 14 years ago.

i was so interested in your path as a new Menno pastor! also, that you were married with a young family.
i was new to Mennonites, very interested.

i happened to post something about (my views) that i believe individual homosexuals are a different matter from powerful organized political blocs. that i believed homosexuals, like those i’d met IRL, coworkers, neighbors, etc., have souls and are fully human, but, i do not believe organized political blocs are human, they are human crafted entities, initiated in good faith,
but they become entities that exist for the purpose of gaining political power, legal muscle, and access to the Public Treasury.

14 years later, i see no question about organized political blocs.
not just wrt the homosexual lobby, now with global might, but this is the pattern for all organized political blocs.
not human, not humane.

this is what consistently results from godless human reasoning. scriptures are clear, beware human reasoning.

Thus, after 14 years, a significant part of your youth, i prefer not to engage, for myself and readers, i’m sure no one finds this kind of thing helpful or appealing. Pretty sure, anyway.

i’m not sure why a vibrant young man would be so focused on proving an everyday internet grandmother (devious) i find that part sad. because i believe men are specially important, words+actions affect so many in important ways. my RL family has lost too many important men. i urge others to appreciate loved ones IRT, life can bring excruciating untimely loss. also, for men to appreciate themselves, their importance and worth.

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You’re entitled to your opinions. i often disagree.

1st Amendment protections; and, here, subjective forum guidelines.

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i’d like to add, i appreciate your taste in music, pretty good as a general thing, and,
most of your discussions with Honduras Keiser, who has a gift of bringing out the best in everyone.

[temporal1]

Jeremy,
You are free to your opinions.

i’m not sure why you persist in failing to distinguish extreme rhetoric, and actions, including violence, led by PUBLIC FIGURES,
from “simple” (simple in U.S. terms, protected by the very important 1st Amendment) criticism, esp by ordinary legal citizens.

examples are the words you use to address me on this forum. personal, critical and even cruel, yet, protected speech.
thankfully, scriptures warn that life can be hurtful.

- - - - - -

this TDS discussion now kind of reminds me of where we started - 14 years ago.

i was so interested in your path as a new Menno pastor! also, that you were married with a young family.
i was new to Mennonites, very interested.

i happened to post something about (my views) that i believe individual homosexuals are a different matter from powerful organized political blocs. that i believed homosexuals, like those i’d met IRL, coworkers, neighbors, etc., have souls and are fully human, but, i do not believe organized political blocs are human, they are human crafted entities, initiated in good faith,
but they become entities that exist for the purpose of gaining political power, legal muscle, and access to the Public Treasury.

14 years later, i see no question about organized political blocs.
not just wrt the homosexual lobby, now with global might, but this is the pattern for all organized political blocs.
not human, not humane.

this is what consistently results from godless human reasoning. scriptures are clear, beware human reasoning.

Thus, after 14 years, a significant part of your youth, i prefer not to engage, for myself and readers, i’m sure no one finds this kind of thing helpful or appealing. Pretty sure, anyway.

i’m not sure why a vibrant young man would be so focused on proving an everyday internet grandmother (devious) i find that part sad. because i believe men are specially important, words+actions affect so many in important ways. my RL family has lost too many important men. i urge others to appreciate loved ones IRT, life can bring excruciating untimely loss. also, for men to appreciate themselves, their importance and worth.

- - - - - - -

You’re entitled to your opinions. i often disagree.

1st Amendment protections; and, here, subjective forum guidelines.

- - - - - - -

i’d like to add, i appreciate your taste in music, pretty good as a general thing, and,
most of your discussions with Honduras Keiser, who has a gift of bringing out the best in everyone.

^^On forum, Szd has a super power others don’t.
i don’t think he realizes it, i think he takes it for granted.

He’s entitled to his opinions, others aren’t. Not mine, alone. No one has the freedom of expression on forum to match Szd’s.

i don’t protest.
i think it’s well to appreciate privileges.

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Szd,
when you become frustrated that i’m “not being direct” - consider that i’m not allowed.
imho, no one is, to match your privilege.

i’m not allowed, i’m not sure why. i’m not asking why. i accept it. i do not object.
i may understand one day. i do not expect instant understanding of anything. anywhere.

i also don’t see it as personal to me, alone. i see it as real life. not a formal court of law.

[Szdfan]

^^On forum, Szd has a super power others don’t.
i don’t think he realizes it, i think he takes it for granted.

He’s entitled to his opinions, others aren’t. Not mine, alone. No one has the freedom of expression on forum to match Szd’s.

i don’t protest.
i think it’s well to appreciate privileges.

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Szd,
when you become frustrated that i’m “not being direct” - consider that i’m not allowed.
imho, no one is, to match your privilege.

i’m not allowed, i’m not sure why. i’m not asking why. i accept it. i do not object.
i may understand one day. i do not expect instant understanding of anything. anywhere.

i also don’t see it as personal to me, alone. i see it as real life. not a formal court of law.

Temp, I genuinely don’t know what you mean when you say I have privileges here that others don’t. I've also been moderated here. I've received pushback from moderators I didn't agree with. I try to stay within the forum guidelines. Sometimes I do better than other times.

You are of course free to have opinions. You post your opinions here frequently. But this is a web forum with people who have different opinions and viewpoints. I expect people here to disagree with me. I expect people to push back and argue with me. I think I'm allowed to disagree with you just like you're allowed to disagree with me.

What I think what you're saying is that you don't like the way I challenge your posts. I get that. I know that I have a direct style of thinking and communicating. I'm not trying to be cruel -- I just want people to think through the implications of what they're arguing. I assume that people mean what they say and I am naturally suspicious of indirect communication. But that's not the same as me having "special privileges" or that you are "not allowed" to say things. Disagreement is part of a discussion forum.

If there's something you feel like you're "not allowed" to say here, I'd like to hear a concrete example. Otherwise, it feels to me like you're setting up an imbalance that isn't real.

[temporal1]

let’s start planning a fun forum 20th anniversary.

[temporal1]

“Wishing to be friends is quick work, but friendship is a slow-ripening fruit.”
—Aristotle, "Nichomachean Ethics"

[Outsider]

Are the fruits of one's life consistent with the Truth taught by Christ? It can't be just any truth or any fruit. It has to be fruit that reflects Biblical teaching.

Does one spend all day on forums talking about Faith or does one go out to people in real time and try to bring that Faith into a living reality?

Getting off the forums and limiting time online is a beginning. Using the time gained to put the Bible into practice is a fruit.

You're in the top 5 posters, so this input is a bit rich coming from you.

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And I don't like the overall passive-aggressive tone of this, implying that some of us don't have fruits consistent with Truth taught by Christ and that we should get off forums and limit time online. Perhaps a better approach would be to start your own thread and explain what you do to limit time spent online.

A lot of people are physically or monetarily handicapped. It cost money to go out anywhere and do anything. You have to be physically able to get out as well. Thanks to the Lord, I'm able to move around again. I thank Gary K. and his congregation's laying on of hands that I can get around without oxygen anymore, I can walk through the grocery store without having to use one of the go-carts, and I'm stronger than I've been in 20 years. I've also lost over 150 lbs. Don't judge people because they might be partial or total shut-ins.

And believe me, the disputes on Mennonet are nothing to whats going on out on the worldly forums. They're muderous, libelous, and quick to accuse you of anything if you disagree with their dogmas- political or otherwise. If I were guilty of even half the things they accuse me of, I would be under the jailhouse.