What are your thoughts re Hegelian Dialectic & CRT in the Church?

[Ken]

Er… I’m not sure I’d describe military bases as “crime free”

did i say that?
to be sure, they aren’t, BUT, there is far less crime, AND it’s dealt with quickly+evenly.
That’s it. One set of rules for everyone, ENFORCED.

i’m NOT trying to glamorize or white-wash militaries. just describing facts as i’ve witnessed them IRL.

i’m pretty sure the military has a record of dealing with young people to produce a respectable citizen (in addition to a fighting machine). no matter background, new recruits are stripped down to “nothing” then built back up, esp with emphasis on respect -
to others (for survival) - to parents+family, country, and NOT separated from faith.

additionally, there are military schools for teens, boot camp type schools. pretty much about socializing and discipline.

all these things can and are taught in healthy families, usually without the severity and rigidity. from toddler age. respect for others, self-restraint.

however, once you have teens+older coming from all backgrounds thrown together in close quarters, play time is over.

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some have said, crime+chaos are the “price of freedom”.
well. they’re the price of devastated families, i wouldn’t argue that. not God’s plan.

i’ve read somewhere, the PERCENTAGE of criminals/violent criminals is small (and known!) - present society allows them.
the tail wags the dog.

Altho it’s not rocket science, there seems to be refusal to find effective ways of mitigating damages.
This is a mystery.

Just a point of clarification.

The DOD doesn't run military schools on US bases. They run ordinary civilian style schools for the dependents of military families with ordinary civilian teachers.

Actual military schools that operate like boot camps or military academies with students in uniform, taught by officers or retired officers, and subject to military type discipline are something entirely different. Those are all private, not government run, and they are usually single-sex boarding schools as well.

[Szdfan]

Just a point of clarification.

The DOD doesn't run military schools on US bases. They run ordinary civilian style schools for the dependents of military families with ordinary civilian teachers.

Actual military schools that operate like boot camps or military academies with students in uniform, taught by officers or retired officers, and subject to military type discipline are something entirely different. Those are all private, not government run, and they are usually single-sex boarding schools as well.

When I was a child in West Berlin, I attended the John F. Kennedy Schule, which was a dual system German-American school. While not technically a DOD school, it had lots of DOD kids there and the school contracted with the US military for some services. Our school busses were military busses. I took swimming lessons on the military base through the school. The first time I went bowling was on base for a birthday party of one of my classmates.

There was also a school exclusively for DOD dependents that closed when the US occupation of Germany ended.

These were all civilian style schools that resembled normal public education, not military style.

[temporal1]

Just a point of clarification.

The DOD doesn't run military schools on US bases. They run ordinary civilian style schools for the dependents of military families with ordinary civilian teachers.

Actual military schools that operate like boot camps or military academies with students in uniform, taught by officers or retired officers, and subject to military type discipline are something entirely different. Those are all private, not government run, and they are usually single-sex boarding schools as well.

From personal observation, as a civilian, without further researching, i think this is correct.
i believe some are geared to serve at-risk youth as a last-ditch effort to keep them out of jail/prison.

It’s a shame it has to come to this, when responsible, informed parenting could avoid the need in most cases.
The children pay the highest prices.

This is an example of why i’ve said elsewhere, i’d like to see broad support in the culture for traditional marriages and families.
To raise the value and importance of marriage and family. That it’s not happenstance. That the price of failure is high.

When people know they are valued and needed, it raises awareness and self-esteem. Males, esp, need purpose.
They need male leadership. Females need their fathers, too, very much so. For males it can be catastrophic.

[Ken]

It is actually quite informative to explore why DOD schools tend to be universally more successful than civilian schools, especially in terms of performance gaps based on race and socioeconomic status. I have friends who teach at DOD schools here in Washington as well as Texas and have been to some of them. So I've seen them first hand.

First in terms of commonalities. DOD schools and public schools generally hire out of the same pool of applicants so it is basically the same pool of teachers with the same certifications, training and experience. And they generally follow a standard college prep curriculum (at least at the HS level) so nothing really odd or different about the curriculum. It is very mainstream and traditional. Similar to what you see in most middle and upper class public schools. So it isn't really the teachers or curriculum (other than the fact that it is more college prep than vocational). So what is it?

Students in DOD schools are not the typical public school cohort. By definition they have parents with jobs, health care, food and housing. That is a huge difference right there. Their schools are well-funded and tend to have smaller class sizes than most civilian schools. They have a leaner bureaucracy compared to big school districts and don't have to deal with many of the myriad of State and Federal requirements that burden civilian public schools. The military also has subsidized daycare and preschool so students in DOD schools are much more likely to have had formal early childhood education entering first grade compared to their civilian counterparts. There are less single parent families in the military so that is one difference. Although absentee parents are common with overseas deployments.

DOD schools also operate in a unique system of a shared culture and familiarity between students, parents, teachers, school administrators, and base leaders. So they aren't being pulled in all different directions as is the case in many public school systems.

Another big difference is that there is no racial or economic segregation in DOD schools. Children of the lowliest private attend the same schools and classes as the colonels and generals. And the military is perhaps the most desegregated segment of our society. There are no Black or White neighborhoods on military bases. There are few places in the civilian world where that is the case. In most cities and urban areas, schools are de-facto segregated by race and socio-economic status because neighborhoods are. In any given city, everyone knows which are the poor schools and which are the rich schools, and what their racial and ethnic composition is. That is one of the first things real estate agents and families who are home shopping look at.

[JohnH]

Another big difference is that there is no racial or economic segregation in DOD schools.

Neither is there anywhere else.

Children of the lowliest private attend the same schools and classes as the colonels and generals.

It's been a while since I associated with any Colonels, and I've never known any Generals, but they had their children in some elite private school, and would never have sent them to an on-base school.

[JayP]

Actually there is a great deal of segregation in DOD schools. Just not racial segregation.

It is a segregation of concerned parents who value proper discipline.
Shocking…give me a set of parents who uniformly are not part of a broken home, care, and accept the place of discipline and Lo and behold their kids perform better in school. Shocking.

[Ken]

Another big difference is that there is no racial or economic segregation in DOD schools.

Neither is there anywhere else.

Segregation can be de facto or de jure. There is de facto segregation all across the country driven by socioeconomics. For example, the #1 rated public school district in California is the Palo Alto Unified School District. How much money do you think it takes to get your child into that district? According to Zillow, the average home price in Palo Alto is $3.6 million and the average 2 bedroom apartment rents for $3,844/month.

There is no metro area in the country where schools are not segregated by socio-economic status because neighborhoods are segregated by socio-economic status. And in many areas this also means segregation by race and ethnicity as well.

Military schools are one notable exception to this pattern. Oh, and by the way, my mother has a cousin who was married to a full bird colonel. Their kids (my 2nd cousins) attended the base schools like everyone else.

[Ken]

Actually there is a great deal of segregation in DOD schools. Just not racial segregation.

It is a segregation of concerned parents who value proper discipline.
Shocking…give me a set of parents who uniformly are not part of a broken home, care, and accept the place of discipline and Lo and behold their kids perform better in school. Shocking.

Yes, there is segregation between military bases and the civilian world. That is the whole point.

But there is not de facto segregation within military schools based on race, ethnicity, or socio-economic status. Which is not often the case in the civilian world.

[JohnH]

Segregation can be de facto or de jure. There is de facto segregation all across the country driven by socioeconomics. For example, the #1 rated public school district in California is the Palo Alto Unified School District. How much money do you think it takes to get your child into that district? According to Zillow, the average home price in Palo Alto is $3.6 million and the average 2 bedroom apartment rents for $3,844/month.

Palo Alto also has affordable housing options including Section 8, housing choice vouchers, and other programs like that. Not to mention one could just decide to move to Palo Alto and be homeless. Doesn't cost much to do that.

There is no metro area in the country where schools are not segregated by socio-economic status because neighborhoods are segregated by socio-economic status. And in many areas this also means segregation by race and ethnicity as well.

No, it doesn't mean that. Schools are not segregated by socio-economic status where parents have to meet a certain income level or whatever to get in. There aren't any billionaires in my school district, but that doesn't mean it is "segregated" to only allow families of non-billionaires. It's just that no billionaires choose to live here. But they could.

There also isn't anywhere in America that is "segregated by race and ethnicity". There aren't any Sentinel Islanders in my school district; nonetheless, there could be. They just haven't decided to try to move and live here.

Military schools are one notable exception to this pattern.

No, they aren't; military schools are actually de facto segregated by socioeconomic status, the most obvious being that the parents will have access to health benefits plus a salary. Lots of people make less than that, or make $0. That won't happen on a military base, as a general rule.

[Ken]

No, it doesn't mean that. Schools are not segregated by socio-economic status where parents have to meet a certain income level or whatever to get in. There aren't any billionaires in my school district, but that doesn't mean it is "segregated" to only allow families of non-billionaires. It's just that no billionaires choose to live here. But they could.

Do you take contrary opinions just to be contrary? Not all segregation is 1930s style Jim Crow de jure segregation. Modern day segregation is built along economic lines and neighborhood boundaries and school district lines play a big part of that.

You can go to any metro area in the country and find that school ratings follow neighborhood boundaries that are aligned by socio-economic class. The top rated schools are in the affluent areas and the more poorly rated schools are in the poorer areas. The only exceptions to that rule are rural areas and towns that are too small to be economically stratified. Selective magnet schools that happen to be located in poorer areas. And a few places that are so wealthy that the residents mostly send their kids to elite private school and only the help attends the local public schools.

Show us a single metro area anywhere in the country where the top rated schools are from the poor areas and where the worst rated schools are in the rich areas. Or for that matter, any metro area where the richest areas are majority Black and the poorest areas are majority white.

What makes DOD schools different is that they are a big melting pot that mix students from rural areas and urban areas. From conservative areas and liberal areas. From the east and west and north and south. As well as students from different races, ethnicities, and socio-economic backgrounds. I'm sure there are a few places where that sort of thing happens in the civilian world, but it is unusual. People who study these things point to that sort of diversity as one of their strengths, that help to level the playing field for all and narrow the performance gaps that plague public schools in the civilian world.

Not the only factor to be sure. It also helps greatly to have a community of students whose parents are all employed, who have good health care, roofs over their heads, food on the table, and a community that is generally pushing in the same direction and supportive of education.