Education: 504 and IEP Accomodations

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Re: Education: 504 and IEP Accomodations

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temporal1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 29, 2025 2:04 pm MATT WALSH can be stern.

PSYCHOTROPIC DRUGS Medicalizing the human condition. :-|
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@swellshocked WROTE:
I'm a therapist and I specialize in ADHD. Everything he's saying is accurate.
Kids need a change in diet, a steady sleep routine, an increase in exercise, a decrease in screen time, and specific reward based activities to increase motivation and dopamine activation.

Medication isn't the answer.

How about loving the child you have? - rather than trying to force him/her to be what he/she is not?
A couple comments here.

1. Having gone through this with my daughter with depression I have found the American health care system to be geared more towards medication than treatment. My wife is a senior clinician with a major health care group and even she found it extremely difficult to find any sort of therapy for our daughter because there simply wasn't enough therapists available in network and none had openings. And the paperwork barriers were immense to go outside of network. At the same time, any primary care doctor within the system could quickly and easily prescribe anti-depressants. So drugs are about 100x easier to get than actual therapy. There is a role for modern medication. But we are too quick to default to it because that is how our health care system is designed.

2. Diet is going in the wrong direction. School lunches, especially in poorer schools and neighborhoods can be atrocious processed junk (food service frozen pizzas, tater tots, chicken nuggets etc.). Michelle Obama tried to push back on this but ran into enormous political obstacles from the processed food industry and frankly, Republicans. You also can't magically change menus and expect kids to change. It takes a cultural change and time.

3. Exercise is going in the wrong direction. Many schools, especially in poorer areas are cutting out PE and recess in order to focus on rote test prep because education has become so focused on standardized test scores. And we have designed our schools and neighborhoods such that parents are forced to shuttle their kids back and forth to everything rather than sending them outdoors on foot or bike. Just look at the dropoff line at any suburban school. It didn't used to be that way. How does a hyperactive child who never has a chance to go outdoors ever release their pent up energy? Organized sports aren't even that great and I say this as someone who coached youth soccer for over a decade. Drive by any soccer complex during practice time and observe how many kids are just standing around in line for drills and not really doing anything aerobic. It is way too hyper-organized. Kids in Brazil just play in the streets until it gets dark. They don't stand around endlessly while their dad sets up cones for whatever drill he saw on YouTube.

4. Screen time is also going in the wrong direction. Cell phones need to be taken out of schools completely but you would be surprised at how much virulent resistance this generates among parents who think they need to have 24/7 cell phone contact with their kids, even during school. And schools have converted to Chromebooks rather than textbooks, mostly as a money saving measure. Chromebooks bought in bulk by school districts can be had for about $100. Whereas a single textbook can be $150 or more, multiplied by 5 classes at the HS level. So no wonder districts are rolling out Chromebooks so that teachers can use free open-source curriculum rather than expensive paper textbooks. Chromebooks are a great teaching tool. But they do have disadvantages too.

5. Probably 85% of student success can be predicted based on the socioeconomic background of the parents and family. But schools are expected to address 100% of it and negligent parents who never read to or teach their children (or just neglect them) are off the hook. And schools are expected to fix every health and psychological problem that gets presented to them.
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Re: Education: 504 and IEP Accomodations

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i agree with most:
A couple comments here.

1. Having gone through this with my daughter with depression I have found the American health care system to be geared more towards medication than treatment. My wife is a senior clinician with a major health care group and even she found it extremely difficult to find any sort of therapy for our daughter because there simply wasn't enough therapists available in network and none had openings. And the paperwork barriers were immense to go outside of network. At the same time, any primary care doctor within the system could quickly and easily prescribe anti-depressants. So drugs are about 100x easier to get than actual therapy. There is a role for modern medication. But we are too quick to default to it because that is how our health care system is designed.
My sense is, science is in its infancy in psychiatry.
Remarkable advances have been made in lots of problems, like, heart disease, even cancer, cataract surgery.
Psychiatry is another world. i’ve had specialists tell me this in their own words about themselves. Humbling.

When a diagnosis is labeled “rare” - it means they know little or nothing. Treatments are guesses+experiments.
Children are not usually first to be studied, so, even more of a guess.
2. Diet is going in the wrong direction. School lunches, especially in poorer schools and neighborhoods can be atrocious processed junk (food service frozen pizzas, tater tots, chicken nuggets etc.). Michelle Obama tried to push back on this but ran into enormous political obstacles from the processed food industry and frankly, Republicans. You also can't magically change menus and expect kids to change. It takes a cultural change and time.
No need to get political. It’s a family-cultural thing. Some “poor” diets are healthier than rich. Beans+rice, greens, etc., “feed the world” - junk food is expensive and addictive.

The need is for stronger families+churches to teach what gov schools cannot.
Lessons that come before formal ed begins. Then continue for life.
3. Exercise is going in the wrong direction. Many schools, especially in poorer areas are cutting out PE and recess in order to focus on rote test prep because education has become so focused on standardized test scores. And we have designed our schools and neighborhoods such that parents are forced to shuttle their kids back and forth to everything rather than sending them outdoors on foot or bike. Just look at the dropoff line at any suburban school. It didn't used to be that way. How does a hyperactive child who never has a chance to go outdoors ever release their pent up energy? Organized sports aren't even that great and I say this as someone who coached youth soccer for over a decade. Drive by any soccer complex during practice time and observe how many kids are just standing around in line for drills and not really doing anything aerobic. It is way too hyper-organized. Kids in Brazil just play in the streets until it gets dark. They don't stand around endlessly while their dad sets up cones for whatever drill he saw on YouTube.
Students need to be walking a half mile to a mile each way to school in most weather. My brother reminded, we came home for lunch, too! We did. ALL the able kids did, no matter socio-economic status. ALL races, religions.

That one thing would help MENTAL+PHYSICAL well being.
i’ve fantasized that busses should park those distances away, students walk in to school.
Some schools have experimented with it. i haven’t read anything recently.
4. Screen time is also going in the wrong direction. Cell phones need to be taken out of schools completely but you would be surprised at how much virulent resistance this generates among parents who think they need to have 24/7 cell phone contact with their kids, even during school. And schools have converted to Chromebooks rather than textbooks, mostly as a money saving measure. Chromebooks bought in bulk by school districts can be had for about $100. Whereas a single textbook can be $150 or more, multiplied by 5 classes at the HS level. So no wonder districts are rolling out Chromebooks so that teachers can use free open-source curriculum rather than expensive paper textbooks. Chromebooks are a great teaching tool. But they do have disadvantages too.
in our experience, it went off the rails due to the pandemic and remote school.
my book-centric grdaghter had a hard time with it. i think she still prefers books, and paper tests, too.
often, no choice.
5. Probably 85% of student success can be predicted based on the socioeconomic background of the parents and family. But schools are expected to address 100% of it and negligent parents who never read to or teach their children (or just neglect them) are off the hook. And schools are expected to fix every health and psychological problem that gets presented to them.
Focus needs to go on PARENTING, and, churches can do a lot to prmote healthy parenting.
Good choices are available to ALL, there is little to no dollar barrier. i’m speaking first-person. before food stamps, too. :P

i’ve read, in times of slavery, the slaves’ “poor diet” was better nutritionally than the wealthy diet. rice. beans. vegetable gardens.

More emphasis on the importance+value of MARRIAGE and PARENTING could be made. No matter age. No excuses.

This speaks to the problem of schools being dumping grounds for all problems. That shouldn’t happen.
PARENTS should be responsible to see their children ARE PREPARED FOR SCHOOL on Day 1.
That’s in the home. And churches. Churches can lead families.
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Re: Education: 504 and IEP Accomodations

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P.57 / Meanwhile in Canada:
temporal1 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 12:08 am
JohnH wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2026 12:04 pm Not necessarily Canada related, but
I heard of a situation recently where a teacher had a classroom that was composed entirely of students on IEPs. :shock:

The school then got dinged for not "mainstreaming" these students, even though there were no students not an IEP to "mainstream" them in.

In addition, nearly all of them had requirements that they be allowed "extra time" and "a preferential seating location", which is obviously not possible when every student has that requirement.

(The situation started when there were still 1 or 2 non-IEP students in the classroom, and the parents got fed up with their children basically being required to be at a disadvantage to the rest of the class - so they pulled out and went to another school.)

Another absurd IEP I heard about was one where the IEP said the student may use AI tools to do their writing assignments for them. What on earth?
A horrifying thought! Esp when questionable drugs are so often part of the mix.

IEPs have been discussed on forum, including in this topic:

“Education: 504 and IEP Accomodations”
https://forum.mennonet.com/viewtopic.php?t=5962

i found this below on autism quite interesting:

He covers a lot, not autism alone;
i don’t believe he addresses the drugs used/abused, which is one of my worries for children, teens, young people.

@ElephantsInRooms / "Everyone’s autistic now." Here’s what's going on.” / -22min
VIDEO CHAPTERS:
00:00 - Introduction
1:23 - What Causes Autism?
6:44 - The Number That Exploded
10:56 - What Widened The Net
14:49 - The Diagnosis Became an Identity
18:15 - The Kids Who Get Lost
20:39 - Conclusion
^^i added a few time stamps:
9:00 ADHD
11:00 Allen Frances
13:50 Follow the taxpayer money, and rewards. :-|
18:00 Dilution


DR ALLEN FRANCES .. [i commend his honesty.] :wave:
2025 NPR / Autism rates have soared. This doctor says he knows part of the reason why
https://www.npr.org/2025/06/26/nx-s1-54 ... reason-why
There was a New York Times headline that caught our eye this week -
"Autism Rates Have Increased 60-Fold. I Played A Role In That." It's an opinion piece written by Dr. Allen Frances.

Dr. Frances, a psychiatrist, led the task force that created the fourth edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. The DSM is something of a bible for mental health professionals who are looking to diagnose and treat a wide variety of mental illnesses and neurological disorders. Dr. Allen Frances joins me now. ..
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21:00 Girl-slanted ed :-|

@ElephantsInRooms mentions the girl-slanted education system, another topic, which should go elsewhere.
not unrelated. i’m not sure if there’s an existing thread. i’ll think about it. important topic! His video:

@ElephantsInRooms / “What if boys were never the problem?” / -18min
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