Poll: Age for Dating and Marriage

When it just doesn't fit anywhere else.

Choose all that generally apply...

1. My church doesn't have any minimum age for dating or marriage.
6
16%
2. My church has a generally expected minimum age for dating.
6
16%
3. My church has a generally expected minimum age for marriage.
3
8%
4. I think it is good for people to wait until age 18 to begin dating.
7
18%
5. I think it is good for people to wait until age 19 to begin dating.
0
No votes
6. I think it is good for people to wait until age 20 to begin dating.
3
8%
7. I think it is good for people to wait until age 14 to get married.
0
No votes
8. I think it is good for people to wait until age 15 to get married.
0
No votes
9. I think it is good for people to wait until age 16 to get married.
1
3%
10. I think it is good for people to wait until age 17 to get married.
0
No votes
11. I think it is good for people to wait until age 18 to get married.
0
No votes
12. I think it is good for people to wait until age 19 to get married.
2
5%
13. I think it is good for people to wait until age 20 to get married.
1
3%
14. I think it is good for people to wait until age 21 to get married.
3
8%
15. I think it is good for people to wait until age 22 to get married.
6
16%
 
Total votes: 38

JohnH
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Re: Poll: Age for Dating and Marriage

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Ernie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 21, 2025 7:21 am Preplexity says,
It’s generally not technically correct to say “low paid volunteers.” Here’s why:

1. Definition of Volunteer
A volunteer is, by definition, someone who works willingly without pay. The Oxford English Dictionary defines a volunteer as “a person who freely offers to take part in an enterprise or undertake a task” and, in relation to jobs, as someone who “works for an organization without being paid.”

2. When Payment is Involved
If someone receives any form of payment, they are usually classed as an employee, stipendiary worker, intern, or paid worker, not a volunteer. Some organizations use the term “stipend volunteer” to refer to someone who receives a small allowance for expenses, but this is typically to cover costs incurred while volunteering, not a wage or salary.

3. Colloquial vs. Technical
People sometimes say “low paid volunteers” informally when referring to paid workers who receive very little, but this is not technically or legally correct. In regulations (like Fair Labor Standards Act or non-profit law), this phrase is contradictory.

4. Alternatives
A more precise alternative would be:

Low-paid worker

Stipendiary volunteer (if referring to volunteers who get a minimal expense allowance)

Intern (if that’s the context)

Summary:
“Low paid volunteers” is not a technically correct phrase. If someone is paid, even a little, they are typically not considered a true "volunteer."
While I appreciate the detailed breakdown in your post, I respectfully disagree with the assertion that the phrase "low paid volunteers" is inherently incorrect or contradictory. The term "volunteer" doesn't always imply a complete absence of compensation in common usage. Many organizations, particularly in nonprofit or community settings, use "low paid volunteers" to describe individuals who receive modest stipends or allowances—often below standard wages—while still identifying their role as voluntary due to the altruistic nature of their commitment. This aligns with practical contexts where the distinction between a volunteer and a paid employee isn't always black-and-white, especially in sectors like humanitarian work or grassroots initiatives.

Your point about technical and legal definitions, such as those in the Fair Labor Standards Act, is valid in formal contexts. However, language evolves, and colloquial usage often shapes how terms are understood. "Low paid volunteers" may not fit strict regulatory frameworks, but it effectively communicates the reality of certain roles where minimal compensation coexists with a volunteer ethos. Rather than dismissing the phrase outright, it might be more constructive to acknowledge its informal validity while clarifying its limitations in technical settings.
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Re: Poll: Age for Dating and Marriage

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Ernie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 21, 2025 7:21 am Preplexity says,
It’s generally not technically correct to say “low paid volunteers.” Here’s why:
Oh please. Words have multiple meanings. I think everyone knew what I meant.

Here in this country we have an "All Volunteer Military" and the Pentagon speaks of it as such: https://www.defense.gov/News/Feature-St ... eer-force/ Tell us, do soldiers get paid?

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We have also had hundreds of thousands of Americans working overseas as Peace Corps volunteers since 1961 and domestically as VISTA/Americorps volunteers since 1965. All of whom receive living stipends. Those are literally their official titles. https://www.peacecorps.gov/ways-to-serv ... volunteer/

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Re: Poll: Age for Dating and Marriage

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Ken wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:39 am Ernie wrote:
Preplexity says,
It’s generally not technically correct to say “low paid volunteers.” Here’s why:
Oh please. Words have multiple meanings. I think everyone knew what I meant.

Here in this country we have an "All Volunteer Military" and the Pentagon speaks of it as such: https://www.defense.gov/News/Feature-St ... eer-force/ Tell us, do soldiers get paid?
Hi Ken,

Thank you for your perspective, but I respectfully disagree. While words can have multiple meanings, the term "volunteer" typically implies unpaid service in many contexts. The phrase "low paid volunteers" might cause confusion, as it combines the concept of volunteering, which is often unpaid, with receiving payment. Perplexity’s point, as quoted by Ernie, seems to highlight the need for clear terminology to avoid misinterpretation. Your example of the "All Volunteer Military" is noted, but soldiers are generally seen as paid professionals who enlist, not volunteers in the traditional sense. I appreciate your viewpoint and the discussion!
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temporal1
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Re: Poll: Age for Dating and Marriage

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Money, benefits, legal protections, promotion, all changes the dynamics of what is being done.
Gov definitions do not equate to scriptural truths, in letter and/or spirit.

When i was new to MD, there was discussion of Mennonite schools accepting funds from government - tempting!
Reality is, accept the money, lose independence. lesterb described some ways their school in Canada had to respond to this.

“Low paid volunteer” sounds nicer than “low paid worker”, the military uses the word, volunteer, all the time.
When they don’t get “volunteers” they assign, draft, etc. It’s not volunteer.

“Volunteer” is a nice way to say things.

Money causes obligation, obligation changes dynamics.
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Re: Poll: Age for Dating and Marriage

Post by ken_sylvania »

JohnH wrote: ↑Tue Jul 22, 2025 9:06 am
Ken wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:39 am Ernie wrote:
Preplexity says,
It’s generally not technically correct to say “low paid volunteers.” Here’s why:
Oh please. Words have multiple meanings. I think everyone knew what I meant.

Here in this country we have an "All Volunteer Military" and the Pentagon speaks of it as such: https://www.defense.gov/News/Feature-St ... eer-force/ Tell us, do soldiers get paid?
Hi Ken,

Thank you for your perspective, but I respectfully disagree. While words can have multiple meanings, the term "volunteer" typically implies unpaid service in many contexts. The phrase "low paid volunteers" might cause confusion, as it combines the concept of volunteering, which is often unpaid, with receiving payment. Perplexity’s point, as quoted by Ernie, seems to highlight the need for clear terminology to avoid misinterpretation. Your example of the "All Volunteer Military" is noted, but soldiers are generally seen as paid professionals who enlist, not volunteers in the traditional sense. I appreciate your viewpoint and the discussion!
Thank you, LLM#23327. Your perspective is duly noted.
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