Article: Allergies seem nearly impossible to avoid — unless you’re Amish

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Article: Allergies seem nearly impossible to avoid — unless you’re Amish

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Despite the increasing rate of allergic diseases, both in industrialized and in developing countries, the Amish remain exceptionally - and bafflingly - resistant. Only 7 percent of Amish children had a positive response to one or more common allergens in a skin prick test, compared with more than half of the general U.S. population. Even children from other traditional farming families, who still have lower rates of allergic disease than nonfarm children, are more allergic than the Amish.

In fact, one Amish community living in northern Indiana is considered one of the least allergic populations ever measured in the developed world.

“Generally, across the country, about 8 to 10 percent of kids have asthma. In the Amish kids, it’s probably 1 to 2 percent,” said Carole Ober, chair of human genetics at the University of Chicago. “A few of them do have allergies, but at much, much lower rates compared to the general population.”
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The study found that hay fever and eczema were less common among children born into larger families. Strachan wondered whether unhygienic contact with older siblings served as a protection against allergies.

Subsequent findings have given support to the hygiene hypothesis, such as that children who grow up with more household pets are less likely to develop asthma, hay fever or eczema. Perhaps even more beneficial than having older siblings or pets, however, is growing up on a farm. (More than 150 years ago, hay fever was known as an “aristocratic disease,” almost wholly confined to the upper classes of society. Farmers appeared relatively immune.)

This “farm effect” has been confirmed by studies on agricultural populations around the world, including in the United States, Europe, Asia and South America. But even among farming communities, the most pronounced effect appears to be in the Amish. In a study of 60 schoolchildren by Ober, Vercelli and their colleagues, the prevalence of asthma was four times lower in the Amish as compared with the Hutterites, another U.S. farming community with a similar genetic ancestry and lifestyle.

The prevalence of allergic sensitization - the development of antibodies to allergens and the first step to developing an allergy - was six times higher in the Hutterites. The researchers first ruled out a genetic cause; in fact, an analysis showed that the Amish and Hutterite children were remarkably similar in their ancestral roots. Instead, the main difference between these two populations seemed to be the amount of exposure as young children to farm animals or barns.

“The Hutterite kids and pregnant moms don’t go into the animal barns. Kids aren’t really exposed to the animal barns until they’re like 12 or so, when they start learning how to do the work on the farm,” Ober said. “The Amish kids are in and out of the cow barns all day long from an early age.”

When analyzing samples of Amish and Hutterite house dust, they found a microbial load almost seven times higher in Amish homes. Later experiments showed that the airways of mice that inhaled Amish dust had dramatically reduced asthmalike symptoms when exposed to allergens. Mice that inhaled Hutterite dust did not receive the same benefit.
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In 2021, Järvinen-Seppo and her colleagues compared the gut microbiomes of 65 Old Order Mennonite infants from a rural community in New York with 39 urban/suburban infants from nearby Rochester. Like the Amish, the Old Order Mennonites follow a traditional agrarian lifestyle. Almost three-fourths of Mennonite infants in the study were colonized with B. infantis, a bacterium associated with lower rates of allergic diseases, in contrast to 21 percent of Rochester infants.

“The colonization rate is very low in the United States and other Western countries, compared to very high rates in Mennonite communities, similar to some developing countries,” Järvinen-Seppo said. “This mirrors the rates of autoimmune and allergic diseases.” These clues about the origin of the farm effect represent a step toward the prevention of allergic diseases, Järvinen-Seppo says.

Whatever form the treatment takes, the impact on prevention of allergic diseases, which affect millions of people worldwide and reduce quality of life, could be enormous, experts say.

“I don’t know that we can give every family a cow. … But we are learning from these time-honored and very stable environments what type of substances and exposures are needed,” Vercelli said.
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Interesting stuff.

Personally I don't think this is so much of a "farm effect" as it is an "outdoor effect"

I grew up in a typical American suburb in the 1970s and allergies were a very rare thing. My friends and peers and I spent a huge amount of time doing outdoor adventuring in our own neighborhoods growing up. We biked and walked to school rather than being shuttled in air-conditioned SUVs driven by mom and often took detours through vacant lots, dug and poked in the dirt, etc. We roamed the neighborhood and played outside virtually every day the weather permitted. Our moms kicked us out of the house until dinner time so we dug holes, built forts, climbed trees, played sandlot baseball and football, and got dirty every day.

Today? We build our neighborhoods and schools such that it is dangerous or impossible to get to school via any means but a car shuttle and waiting in an air conditioned car in long pickup and drop off car line. Schools are cutting recess and outdoor play to do more standardized test prep. And even though the world is safer than it was in the 60s and 70s modern parents are terrified of letting their kids play outside unattended. In fact, doing so can get you arrested for neglect. And so kids go from one indoor supervised "play date" to another and spend the rest of their time in curated indoor activities like music lessons, tutoring, or video games.

In other words, we have built a perfect society and built landscape for cultivating allergies because we never let our kids outside unsupervised to roam or play and they spend most of their time indoors in filtered climate controlled environments.

So I don't think we need to our kids to grow up on dairy farms. We just need to let them play outside, walk or bike to school, roam, climb trees, and get dirty like kids used to do and the incidence of allergies will probably fall back down to where it was in the 1970s.
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This was studied with a comparison between Hutterites and Amish, who live similar lifestyles except Hutterite children aren’t exposed to barn dust.

Hutterite children had similar allergy profiles to their neighbors.
Today? We build our neighborhoods and schools such that it is dangerous or impossible to get to school via any means but a car shuttle and waiting in an air conditioned car in long pickup and drop off car line. Schools are cutting recess and outdoor play to do more standardized test prep. And even though the world is safer than it was in the 60s and 70s modern parents are terrified of letting their kids play outside unattended. In fact, doing so can get you arrested for neglect. And so kids go from one indoor supervised "play date" to another and spend the rest of their time in curated indoor activities like music lessons, tutoring, or video games.
Hutterite neighborhoods don’t need a car at all (although some do choose to use golf carts to get around), and children walk to school. They also spend a great deal of time unsupervised. The first time I went to a Hutterite colony, I was greeted by a 6 (or so) year old (and not in English, either).

Yet they still have a similar allergy / asthma profile.
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JohnH wrote: ↑Tue Jul 22, 2025 8:35 pm This was studied with a comparison between Hutterites and Amish, who live similar lifestyles except Hutterite children aren’t exposed to barn dust.

Hutterite children had similar allergy profiles to their neighbors.
Today? We build our neighborhoods and schools such that it is dangerous or impossible to get to school via any means but a car shuttle and waiting in an air conditioned car in long pickup and drop off car line. Schools are cutting recess and outdoor play to do more standardized test prep. And even though the world is safer than it was in the 60s and 70s modern parents are terrified of letting their kids play outside unattended. In fact, doing so can get you arrested for neglect. And so kids go from one indoor supervised "play date" to another and spend the rest of their time in curated indoor activities like music lessons, tutoring, or video games.
Hutterite neighborhoods don’t need a car at all (although some do choose to use golf carts to get around), and children walk to school. They also spend a great deal of time unsupervised. The first time I went to a Hutterite colony, I was greeted by a 6 (or so) year old (and not in English, either).

Yet they still have a similar allergy / asthma profile.
I don't know anything about Hutterites and their health care issues. But another obvious difference between Hutterite and Amish communities is that Hutterites use diesel farm equipment and Amish do not. And diesel exhaust is closely correlated with asthma as well.

In any event, in the rest of the country outside of the Hutterite and Amish communities, rates of asthma and allergies have skyrocketed since the 1970s. So it is worth asking what are we doing differently in how we raise children today compared to 50 years ago.
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Ken wrote: ↑Tue Jul 22, 2025 8:57 pm I don't know anything about Hutterites and their health care issues. But another obvious difference between Hutterite and Amish communities is that Hutterites use diesel farm equipment and Amish do not. And diesel exhaust is closely correlated with asthma as well.

In any event, in the rest of the country outside of the Hutterite and Amish communities, rates of asthma and allergies have skyrocketed since the 1970s. So it is worth asking what are we doing differently in how we raise children today compared to 50 years ago.
A. I agree you don’t know anything about them.

B. Hutterite children don’t really play around diesel tractors anymore than other children do.

C. Amish also use diesel tractors, including as stationary sources of power and for transportation to town.

D. The rest of the country doesn’t use diesel tractors much either.

E. You may want to re-read what I said. Hutterite children tracked the general population. Amish children did not.

Coincidentally, the vaccination rate amongst Amish is around 17%, as a public health worker in Holmes County once griped to me.
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Ken wrote: ↑Tue Jul 22, 2025 8:57 pm But another obvious difference between Hutterite and Amish communities is that Hutterites use diesel farm equipment and Amish do not.
Really?
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ken_sylvania wrote: ↑Wed Jul 23, 2025 11:29 am
Ken wrote: ↑Tue Jul 22, 2025 8:57 pm But another obvious difference between Hutterite and Amish communities is that Hutterites use diesel farm equipment and Amish do not.
Really?
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I bet that the prairie country air that the Hutterite children breathe, have by far fewer diesel traces in it, than the air that children in the average large city breathe.
The occasional diesel tractor driving through a windswept colony sitting in the middle of wheat fields is probably insignificant exposure compared to city with all manner of diesel engines running 24/7/365.
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R7ehr wrote: ↑Wed Jul 23, 2025 1:02 pm I bet that the prairie country air that the Hutterite children breathe, have by far fewer diesel traces in it, than the air that children in the average large city breathe.
The occasional diesel tractor driving through a windswept colony sitting in the middle of wheat fields is probably insignificant exposure compared to city with all manner of diesel engines running 24/7/365.
Possibly, who knows if they have diesel trucks idling next to their homes or if children are following diesel tractors picking potatoes as shown in the photos. Diesel and petroleum pollution in cities is a major cause of asthma as well. Millions of American children suffer from pollution-related asthma in the US much of it from diesel and gasoline car exhaust (as well as coal fired powerplants and other industrial pollution). The death toll is in the thousands in the US and millions worldwide.

We are literally killing our kids with our lifestyles in this country.
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Ken wrote: ↑Wed Jul 23, 2025 1:36 pm We are literally killing our kids with our lifestyles in this country.
How did I ever survive my pre-EPA childhood? :o
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