The church suffering on african lands

[joshuabgood]

“Not being able to live and work in the United States, the wealthiest country in the world” is not the same thing as “suffering”.

How about you watch the video.

I did. It still has nothing at all do with gaining entry to the United States.

Who is your neighbor?

[JohnH]

How about you watch the video.

I did. It still has nothing at all do with gaining entry to the United States.

Who is your neighbor?

Still irrelevant. The entire world does not need to be admitted inside the United States’ borders.

[joshuabgood]

I did. It still has nothing at all do with gaining entry to the United States.

Who is your neighbor?

Still irrelevant. The entire world does not need to be admitted inside the United States’ borders.

Some feel that it is relevant that foreigners are our neighbors and should be treated as we would want to be treated if we were in their shoes. And that, in fact thay is what Jesis taught. And especially doing good to the household of Faith.

The pain and terror on the face of those poor brothers ans sisters in Christ is horrible. And it is difficult for me to reconcile one, who takes Jesus life and witness seriously, with one, who supports masked armed men persecutimg the church like this.

Do unto others as you would have done to you. We are not Americans, we are Christians.

[JohnH]

Who is your neighbor?

Still irrelevant. The entire world does not need to be admitted inside the United States’ borders.

Some feel that it is relevant that foreigners are our neighbors and should be treated as we would want to be treated if we were in their shoes. And that, in fact thay is what Jesis taught. And especially doing good to the household of Faith.

The pain and terror on the face of those poor brothers ans sisters in Christ is horrible. And it is difficult for me to reconcile one, who takes Jesus life and witness seriously, with one, who supports masked armed men persecutimg the church like this.

Do unto others as you would have done to you. We are not Americans, we are Christians.

I’m not in charge of migration law.

I did point out that thanks to years of abuse of asylum laws for people who had no need of refuge but were either economic migrants or else actual violent people abusing asylum, now governments such as America and the UK are much less open to migrants with legitimate reasons than they used to be.

So if you care about your “neighbor” (on the opposite side of globe), then you should want to see less abuse of asylum laws.

[joshuabgood]

Still irrelevant. The entire world does not need to be admitted inside the United States’ borders.

Some feel that it is relevant that foreigners are our neighbors and should be treated as we would want to be treated if we were in their shoes. And that, in fact thay is what Jesis taught. And especially doing good to the household of Faith.

The pain and terror on the face of those poor brothers ans sisters in Christ is horrible. And it is difficult for me to reconcile one, who takes Jesus life and witness seriously, with one, who supports masked armed men persecutimg the church like this.

Do unto others as you would have done to you. We are not Americans, we are Christians.

I’m not in charge of migration law.

I did point out that thanks to years of abuse of asylum laws for people who had no need of refuge but were either economic migrants or else actual violent people abusing asylum, now governments such as America and the UK are much less open to migrants with legitimate reasons than they used to be.

So if you care about your “neighbor” (on the opposite side of globe), then you should want to see less abuse of asylum laws.

Christians love to go on missions to foreign countries, but boy if the foreigners come to us and then masked men use force to tear families apart, we don't want them around, and simple Christian charity becomes "irrelevant." Get those Samaritans outta here. We wash our hands because "we aren't in charge of immigration law."

[JohnH]

Christians love to go on missions to foreign countries,

I’m generally opposed to the modernist mission model and would agree with the Old Orders who opposed the mission boards and mission societies.

but boy if the foreigners come to us and then masked men use force to tear families apart,

If I break the law, masked men will eventually come and haul me away. The fact I have children will be irrelevant to them.

Families are not being “torn apart”. Families may leave and return to their home countries together.

we don't want them around, and simple Christian charity becomes "irrelevant."

I engage in simple Christian charity regardless of immigration status or compliance with other laws (such as laws regarding disability benefits). I leave compliance up to the other person, and to the government to enforce. However, I don’t go out of my way to enable other people to break the law.

Get those Samaritans outta here. We wash our hands because "we aren't in charge of immigration law."

Do you think Christians should lobby the government to change migration law?

I don’t think Jesus calls for us to somehow enable the entire population of the earth to have a right to reside and work in the United States.

[joshuabgood]

Christians love to go on missions to foreign countries,

I’m generally opposed to the modernist mission model and would agree with the Old Orders who opposed the mission boards and mission societies.

but boy if the foreigners come to us and then masked men use force to tear families apart,

If I break the law, masked men will eventually come and haul me away. The fact I have children will be irrelevant to them.

Families are not being “torn apart”. Families may leave and return to their home countries together.

we don't want them around, and simple Christian charity becomes "irrelevant."

I engage in simple Christian charity regardless of immigration status or compliance with other laws (such as laws regarding disability benefits). I leave compliance up to the other person, and to the government to enforce. However, I don’t go out of my way to enable other people to break the law.

Get those Samaritans outta here. We wash our hands because "we aren't in charge of immigration law."

Do you think Christians should lobby the government to change migration law?

I don’t think Jesus calls for us to somehow enable the entire population of the earth to have a right to reside and work in the United States.

It's a longer conversation, but I think the difference in our views lie in two places: 1) How we view the Kingdom of God as opposed to how the kingdoms of this world. I gave a 90 spiel once on my thoughts on this that can be found and is publicly available in one is interested. And, 2) How we interpret the golden rule and what Jesus might advocate for in the situation that the Iranian brother and sister in Christ found themselves in.

[JohnH]

You do know neither of us have any power or ability at all to affect the deportation you mentioned, right?

As a matter of wise counsel, I would tell anyone (brother or not) to find a way to peacefully exit to another country (perhaps a third country) if they can’t regularize their immigration status - unless deportation wouldn’t be a big deal for them. For some people it isn’t.

[Thomas_muntzer]

“Not being able to live and work in the United States, the wealthiest country in the world” is not the same thing as “suffering”.

How about you watch the video.

What video ? where can i find it ?

[joshuabgood]

“Not being able to live and work in the United States, the wealthiest country in the world” is not the same thing as “suffering”.

How about you watch the video.

What video ? where can i find it ?

https://www.christianitytoday.com/2025/ ... rsecution/