The Earth is the Lords back in print

[Ken]

Someone could run a scanned version through an OCR engine and “self-publish” it on Amazon for pennies on the dollar and sell hard copies or paperback copies to people who would rather spend $25 than $700.

Probably not worth the bother for something this niche. But in this day and age, stealing copyrighted work is ridiculously easy.

The whole point of this thread is that you can now buy a copy for $105. And most Plain Anabaptists are not going to want to buy one of these books if it was stolen copyright.

How would you know it was stolen if you are buying a copy off eBay?

[JohnH]

Someone could run a scanned version through an OCR engine and “self-publish” it on Amazon for pennies on the dollar and sell hard copies or paperback copies to people who would rather spend $25 than $700.

Probably not worth the bother for something this niche. But in this day and age, stealing copyrighted work is ridiculously easy.

The whole point of this thread is that you can now buy a copy for $105. And most Plain Anabaptists are not going to want to buy one of these books if it was stolen copyright.

How would you know it was stolen if you are buying a copy off eBay?

One could also print stolen editions of Harry Potter and sell them on eBay. What’s your point?

[Ken]

The whole point of this thread is that you can now buy a copy for $105. And most Plain Anabaptists are not going to want to buy one of these books if it was stolen copyright.

How would you know it was stolen if you are buying a copy off eBay?

One could also print stolen editions of Harry Potter and sell them on eBay. What’s your point?

That in our digital age it is very easy to steal and profit off copyrighted work. Whether it is AI companies scraping copyrighted works off the internet, music streaming companies not paying artists, or small-time fraudsters selling stuff on eBay. This particular book is a very narrow niche and probably not worth anyone’s effort to counterfeit. But an expensive book like this in deliberate short supply is basically catnip for fraudsters.

[JohnH]

How would you know it was stolen if you are buying a copy off eBay?

One could also print stolen editions of Harry Potter and sell them on eBay. What’s your point?

That in our digital age it is very easy to steal and profit off copyrighted work. Whether it is AI companies scraping copyrighted works off the internet, music streaming companies not paying artists, or small-time fraudsters selling stuff on eBay. This particular book is a very narrow niche and probably not worth anyone’s effort to counterfeit. But an expensive book like this in deliberate short supply is basically catnip for fraudsters.

Can you point me to some other it of print expensive books that are “catnip for fraudsters”, I.e. they’re actually reprinting it?

[Ken]

One could also print stolen editions of Harry Potter and sell them on eBay. What’s your point?

That in our digital age it is very easy to steal and profit off copyrighted work. Whether it is AI companies scraping copyrighted works off the internet, music streaming companies not paying artists, or small-time fraudsters selling stuff on eBay. This particular book is a very narrow niche and probably not worth anyone’s effort to counterfeit. But an expensive book like this in deliberate short supply is basically catnip for fraudsters.

Can you point me to some other it of print expensive books that are “catnip for fraudsters”, I.e. they’re actually reprinting it?

Why Amazon is Overrun with Plagiarism and AI Garbage: https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2024/04 ... i-garbage/

[Ernie]

I stumbled across this again today...

Reflections after reading The Earth is the Lord's

By reading the author’s appraisals in the Epilogue, his viewpoint
came out clearly. From there it js understandable that his whole stance
and approach are unsympathetic with what has been lost—in other words,
he views the loss, not as apostasy, but as progress!

What then, might be the overall effect upon a young or dissatisfied
Mennonite of this generation? Would they feel the unabashed “??joy??”
or “relief” experienced by these now chronicled as freed when they
appear to love the world and the things of the world?? Perhaps even
worse is the express conclusion that their heritage of faith remains intact!
That it is simply a better version now called the “community of faith.”
What feigned words the educated progressives have succeeded in
foisting upon the “conservatives” which, in a large gathering, were
declared to need to “die off before the church could move on. We sadly
lament, yes... on... on. - . to where? They have now arrived since the
writing of this book.

There is no attempt to deal with the Scriptures in this history of
apostasy. Historians must not become expositors! Yet when God wrote
history, He majored in the irritating theme of obedience—the what IF
and the what IF NOT!. Then He even frustrated the carnal man with the
New Testament declaration that these old things were written for our
example! And the further negative thrust declared that it was to keep us
from the old carnal nature’s expressions. The “new day” of the GOSPEL
is steeped in cross-bearing expressions and “love not the world” teachings,
even making a judgmental division between those that “love” and those
that “love not”—declaring the difference to be between God and the Devil
-and ultimately between heaven and hell.

So, while we can readily discern the writer’s workmanship and skill and
dedication to his craft, and can understand his choice of sources to
praise the finished job with intellectual book jacket promotions, I weep as
at a lost friend’s funeral! One rather noteworthy plus is his
comprehensive mention of the widespread departure from the “faith of
our fathers” in the widespread dispensational/millennial heresy where a
little leaven has leavened the whole lump.

I hope and pray that there may be yet a few who, sixty dollars and
many hours later, will pray God to preserve in us the beloved Biblical
expressions of our heritage; expressions that have endured through many
experiences of trial and affliction in weathering the apostate pressures of
Anabaptist fellowship of a wider scope than Lancaster Conference.
“O God our help in ages past, our hope for years to come!”

Harold Brenneman
March 27, 2002

When writing about history, Ruth was sympathetic to the old order viewpoint. But I remember being disappointed also at Ruth's conclusions at the end of the book. Not sure why his conclusions at the end of the book did not phase me at all. Probably because I don't find the progressive viewpoint attractive or hopeful at all.

[Judas Maccabeus]

I stumbled across this again today...

Reflections after reading The Earth is the Lord's

By reading the author’s appraisals in the Epilogue, his viewpoint
came out clearly. From there it js understandable that his whole stance
and approach are unsympathetic with what has been lost—in other words,
he views the loss, not as apostasy, but as progress!

What then, might be the overall effect upon a young or dissatisfied
Mennonite of this generation? Would they feel the unabashed “??joy??”
or “relief” experienced by these now chronicled as freed when they
appear to love the world and the things of the world?? Perhaps even
worse is the express conclusion that their heritage of faith remains intact!
That it is simply a better version now called the “community of faith.”
What feigned words the educated progressives have succeeded in
foisting upon the “conservatives” which, in a large gathering, were
declared to need to “die off before the church could move on. We sadly
lament, yes... on... on. - . to where? They have now arrived since the
writing of this book.

There is no attempt to deal with the Scriptures in this history of
apostasy. Historians must not become expositors! Yet when God wrote
history, He majored in the irritating theme of obedience—the what IF
and the what IF NOT!. Then He even frustrated the carnal man with the
New Testament declaration that these old things were written for our
example! And the further negative thrust declared that it was to keep us
from the old carnal nature’s expressions. The “new day” of the GOSPEL
is steeped in cross-bearing expressions and “love not the world” teachings,
even making a judgmental division between those that “love” and those
that “love not”—declaring the difference to be between God and the Devil
-and ultimately between heaven and hell.

So, while we can readily discern the writer’s workmanship and skill and
dedication to his craft, and can understand his choice of sources to
praise the finished job with intellectual book jacket promotions, I weep as
at a lost friend’s funeral! One rather noteworthy plus is his
comprehensive mention of the widespread departure from the “faith of
our fathers” in the widespread dispensational/millennial heresy where a
little leaven has leavened the whole lump.

I hope and pray that there may be yet a few who, sixty dollars and
many hours later, will pray God to preserve in us the beloved Biblical
expressions of our heritage; expressions that have endured through many
experiences of trial and affliction in weathering the apostate pressures of
Anabaptist fellowship of a wider scope than Lancaster Conference.
“O God our help in ages past, our hope for years to come!”

Harold Brenneman
March 27, 2002

When writing about history, Ruth was sympathetic to the old order viewpoint. But I remember being disappointed also at Ruth's conclusions at the end of the book. Not sure why his conclusions at the end of the book did not phase me at all. Probably because I don't find the progressive viewpoint attractive or hopeful at all.

I have heard him in person, and while he may appear sympathetic to the Old Order viewpoint, he was seems to have little space in his worldview for conservative groups that retain the pre MCUSA vision of the Mennonite movement. He is from Franconia, and I can count on two fingers the churches that remained conservative out of that.

[Ernie]

Will I see any of you at this meeting tomorrow evening?

https://mennonitelife.org/event/the-ear ... n-release/

[JohnL]

On that same page I found an article linked to the Biblical Tabernacle experience. Verrrry interesting.
https://mennonitelife.org/celebrate-50-years/

[Jazman]

Will I see any of you at this meeting tomorrow evening?

https://mennonitelife.org/event/the-ear ... n-release/

Well... I am tempted, but not sure if could or not.