Extraterrestrials & UFOs

When it just doesn't fit anywhere else.

Do they exist?

Poll ended at Tue May 26, 2026 11:16 am

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Ken wrote: ↑Mon May 26, 2025 4:36 pm

Also the further away we look the further into the past we are looking. The closest nearest galaxy to us is the Andromeda galaxy. When we look at it in the night sky we are looking 2.5 million years into the past since it is 2.5 million light years away.
Yes the inmensity of the creation of God in unconceivable for me something related what do you think of the people that affirm the earth is only 6.000 years old that doesn't imply the God mentioned in the bible only create the earth but not the universe ?
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In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

And it only took him 6 days.
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Thomas_muntzer wrote: ↑Mon May 26, 2025 5:30 pm
Ken wrote: ↑Mon May 26, 2025 4:36 pm

Also the further away we look the further into the past we are looking. The closest nearest galaxy to us is the Andromeda galaxy. When we look at it in the night sky we are looking 2.5 million years into the past since it is 2.5 million light years away.
Yes the inmensity of the creation of God in unconceivable for me something related what do you think of the people that affirm the earth is only 6.000 years old that doesn't imply the God mentioned in the bible only create the earth but not the universe ?
What?
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Thomas_muntzer wrote: ↑Mon May 26, 2025 5:30 pm
Ken wrote: ↑Mon May 26, 2025 4:36 pm

Also the further away we look the further into the past we are looking. The closest nearest galaxy to us is the Andromeda galaxy. When we look at it in the night sky we are looking 2.5 million years into the past since it is 2.5 million light years away.
Yes the inmensity of the creation of God in unconceivable for me something related what do you think of the people that affirm the earth is only 6.000 years old that doesn't imply the God mentioned in the bible only create the earth but not the universe ?
I think people who foolishly try to date the age of the universe to 6,000 years by parsing Bronze Age Biblical genealogies (that were written by humans) are trying to put God into a tiny human-created box. And any God who created a universe as unfathomably large and old as our own universe cannot be constrained by tiny human-created boxes.
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JohnH wrote: ↑Mon May 26, 2025 5:37 pm In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

And it only took him 6 days.
For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night Psalm 90:4
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R7ehr wrote: ↑Mon May 26, 2025 5:39 pm
Thomas_muntzer wrote: ↑Mon May 26, 2025 5:30 pm
Ken wrote: ↑Mon May 26, 2025 4:36 pm

Also the further away we look the further into the past we are looking. The closest nearest galaxy to us is the Andromeda galaxy. When we look at it in the night sky we are looking 2.5 million years into the past since it is 2.5 million light years away.
Yes the inmensity of the creation of God in unconceivable for me something related what do you think of the people that affirm the earth is only 6.000 years old that doesn't imply the God mentioned in the bible only create the earth but not the universe ?
What?
Yes, if you assume genesis is literal that means two things one God only created the planet earth and not the other planets, the sun, the stars and all of the universe and second the forces of gravity, electromagnetism and nuclear force precede God and are superior to God.

When the verb was made flesh he tech us and talked in paraboles and allegories so why it would be different in the begining of the creation ?
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Thomas_muntzer wrote: ↑Mon May 26, 2025 6:30 pm
R7ehr wrote: ↑Mon May 26, 2025 5:39 pm
Thomas_muntzer wrote: ↑Mon May 26, 2025 5:30 pm

Yes the inmensity of the creation of God in unconceivable for me something related what do you think of the people that affirm the earth is only 6.000 years old that doesn't imply the God mentioned in the bible only create the earth but not the universe ?
What?
Yes, if you assume genesis is literal that means two things one God only created the planet earth and not the other planets, the sun, the stars and all of the universe and second the forces of gravity, electromagnetism and nuclear force precede God and are superior to God.

When the verb was made flesh he tech us and talked in paraboles and allegories so why it would be different in the begining of the creation ?
A literal reading of the Genesis creation story also implies a flat earth. In fact some “flat earthers” cite Genesis as proof that the earth is flat. If God was creating a heliocentric universe the days of creation would have happened in a different order. First the sun and stars would be created. Then the earth and other planets that orbit them. Rather than the actual story of Genesis in which the earth is first created on days 2 and 3, and then the sun, stars, and moon in the sky above were created later on day 4.
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Ken wrote: ↑Mon May 26, 2025 6:40 pm
Thomas_muntzer wrote: ↑Mon May 26, 2025 6:30 pm
R7ehr wrote: ↑Mon May 26, 2025 5:39 pm
What?
Yes, if you assume genesis is literal that means two things one God only created the planet earth and not the other planets, the sun, the stars and all of the universe and second the forces of gravity, electromagnetism and nuclear force precede God and are superior to God.

When the verb was made flesh he tech us and talked in paraboles and allegories so why it would be different in the begining of the creation ?
A literal reading of the Genesis creation story also implies a flat earth. In fact some “flat earthers” cite Genesis as proof that the earth is flat. If God was creating a heliocentric universe the days of creation would have happened in a different order. First the sun and stars would be created. Then the earth and other planets that orbit them. Rather than the actual story of Genesis in which the earth is first created on days 2 and 3, and then the sun, stars, and moon in the sky above were created later on day 4.
Who thinks that God created a heliocentric universe?
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ken_sylvania wrote: ↑Mon May 26, 2025 7:17 pm
Ken wrote: ↑Mon May 26, 2025 6:40 pm
Thomas_muntzer wrote: ↑Mon May 26, 2025 6:30 pm

Yes, if you assume genesis is literal that means two things one God only created the planet earth and not the other planets, the sun, the stars and all of the universe and second the forces of gravity, electromagnetism and nuclear force precede God and are superior to God.

When the verb was made flesh he tech us and talked in paraboles and allegories so why it would be different in the begining of the creation ?
A literal reading of the Genesis creation story also implies a flat earth. In fact some “flat earthers” cite Genesis as proof that the earth is flat. If God was creating a heliocentric universe the days of creation would have happened in a different order. First the sun and stars would be created. Then the earth and other planets that orbit them. Rather than the actual story of Genesis in which the earth is first created on days 2 and 3, and then the sun, stars, and moon in the sky above were created later on day 4.
Who thinks that God created a heliocentric universe?
Well, heliocentric solar system in which the earth is not flat but a spherical planet that orbits the sun over the course of a year. And it is the earth’s rotation on its axis that gives us night and day and the tides. And it is the earth’s tilt that gives us the seasons.

Obviously our little sun is not at the center of the entire universe.
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Ken wrote: ↑Mon May 26, 2025 7:51 pm
ken_sylvania wrote: ↑Mon May 26, 2025 7:17 pm
Ken wrote: ↑Mon May 26, 2025 6:40 pm

A literal reading of the Genesis creation story also implies a flat earth. In fact some “flat earthers” cite Genesis as proof that the earth is flat. If God was creating a heliocentric universe the days of creation would have happened in a different order. First the sun and stars would be created. Then the earth and other planets that orbit them. Rather than the actual story of Genesis in which the earth is first created on days 2 and 3, and then the sun, stars, and moon in the sky above were created later on day 4.
Who thinks that God created a heliocentric universe?
Well, heliocentric solar system in which the earth is not flat but a spherical planet that orbits the sun over the course of a year. And it is the earth’s rotation on its axis that gives us night and day and the tides. And it is the earth’s tilt that gives us the seasons.

Obviously our little sun is not at the center of the entire universe.
Thank you so much for that miniature science lesson. I'm still not sure why you brought up the idea of a heliocentric universe. I'm also not sure how you can be so certain that our sun is not at the center of the universe.
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