David Bercot to Speak on Anabaptism in Holmes

[Valerie]

If I understand correctly, the continuing Anglicans, that Bercot was part of, are not Episcopalians.

In America, the denomination that is from church plants by the Church of England (Anglican) was called "Episcopalian" which is a reference to the church governance structure (much like Presbyterian or Congregationalist).

I'm not sure when, but some time in the past few decades, there was a big split over the topic of homosexuality in the main Episcopal church, and those who took a traditional stance of Biblical sexual ethics left the Episcopal church and named themselves "The Anglican Church of America". A bit of a strange name, since "Anglican" refers to the English, but it was the best way to differentiate.

Roughly speaking, they are from the same tradition, but Anglicans would be catagorized as Evangelical, while Episcopalians would be categorized as Mainline. I'm not sure if there is a branch of that tradition that could be classified as Fundamentalist.

One could say that both the Episcopalians and Anglicans are both episcopalian and Anglican (although I would argue that many Mennonite church conferences, like Eastern, are effectively episcopalian).

I never knew they were related, Anglicans and Episcopalian. When I did research on my grandparents that were from Canada, I was able to find a census with both of them on it and it listed my grandmother as Anglican and my grandfather is Presbyterian. I thought it was interesting that they listed everyone’s religion on the census and I doubt they do that now in his book dictionary of early Christian believes, he wrote that he was an Anglican priest .

[ohio jones]

I thought it was interesting that they listed everyone’s religion on the census and I doubt they do that now in his book dictionary of early Christian believes, he wrote that he was an Anglican priest .

IIRC, in the AP podcast referenced on p. 2, he states that this was in a bio written by the publisher, and by the time the book came out he was no longer affiliated with the Anglicans.

[Ernie]

I’ve always found it amusing the Episcopalians were so eager to ordain a lawyer. I guess they’re true to their heritage.

If I understand correctly, the continuing Anglicans, that Bercot was part of, are not Episcopalians.

In America, the denomination that is from church plants by the Church of England (Anglican) was called "Episcopalian" which is a reference to the church governance structure (much like Presbyterian or Congregationalist).

I'm not sure when, but sometime in the past few decades, there was a big split over the topic of homosexuality in the main Episcopal church, and those who took a traditional stance of Biblical sexual ethics left the Episcopal church and named themselves "The Anglican Church of America". A bit of a strange name, since "Anglican" refers to the English, but it was the best way to differentiate.

Roughly speaking, they are from the same tradition, but Anglicans would be categorized as Evangelical, while Episcopalians would be categorized as Mainline. I'm not sure if there is a branch of that tradition that could be classified as Fundamentalist.

The Anglicans I relate to here in central PA have oversight from Rwanda. They are not in communion with either American Episcopalians nor with some Church of England Anglicans in the UK. They believe they have Apostolic succession even if the parent church has apostatized. I am sympathetic to their situation.

[Valerie]

I thought it was interesting that they listed everyone’s religion on the census and I doubt they do that now in his book dictionary of early Christian believes, he wrote that he was an Anglican priest .

IIRC, in the AP podcast referenced on p. 2, he states that this was in a bio written by the publisher, and by the time the book came out he was no longer affiliated with the Anglicans.

My error that it was the bio not him, someone borrowed my book awhile ago & still has it- I noticed the copies he was selling at the talk had completely different covers so maybe they no longer reference that part of his life.

[Ken]

In America, the denomination that is from church plants by the Church of England (Anglican) was called "Episcopalian" which is a reference to the church governance structure (much like Presbyterian or Congregationalist).

I'm not sure when, but some time in the past few decades, there was a big split over the topic of homosexuality in the main Episcopal church, and those who took a traditional stance of Biblical sexual ethics left the Episcopal church and named themselves "The Anglican Church of America". A bit of a strange name, since "Anglican" refers to the English, but it was the best way to differentiate.

Roughly speaking, they are from the same tradition, but Anglicans would be catagorized as Evangelical, while Episcopalians would be categorized as Mainline. I'm not sure if there is a branch of that tradition that could be classified as Fundamentalist.

One could say that both the Episcopalians and Anglicans are both episcopalian and Anglican (although I would argue that many Mennonite church conferences, like Eastern, are effectively episcopalian).

I never knew they were related, Anglicans and Episcopalian. When I did research on my grandparents that were from Canada, I was able to find a census with both of them on it and it listed my grandmother as Anglican and my grandfather is Presbyterian. I thought it was interesting that they listed everyone’s religion on the census and I doubt they do that now in his book dictionary of early Christian believes, he wrote that he was an Anglican priest .

Anglicans in the US renamed themselves Episcopalian after the American Revolution to disassociate themselves from the Church of England. Both in name, and also in practice. At that time, for example, as the official "Church of England" Anglican priests had to take an oath of loyalty to the King of England. Which obviously wasn't going to happen for Anglican priests in the newly independent US. But after a decade or so they got rid of the loyalty oath, made peace, and merged back together except that the American branch of the church maintained the Episcopal name.

Episcopal is just the Greek word for bishop and basically means a church governed by bishops.

[JohnL]

I thought it was interesting that they listed everyone’s religion on the census and I doubt they do that now in his book dictionary of early Christian believes, he wrote that he was an Anglican priest .

IIRC, in the AP podcast referenced on p. 2, he states that this was in a bio written by the publisher, and by the time the book came out he was no longer affiliated with the Anglicans.

My error that it was the bio not him, someone borrowed my book awhile ago & still has it- I noticed the copies he was selling at the talk had completely different covers so maybe they no longer reference that part of his life.

I don’t doubt it. I’m sure his experiences with the Anglicans probably played a key role in his Christian journey too though. Sometimes our experiences with the inauthentic helps us to recognize the authentic when we meet it.

[Praxis+Theodicy]

The Anglicans I relate to here in central PA have oversight from Rwanda. They are not in communion with either American Episcopalians nor with some Church of England Anglicans in the UK. They believe they have Apostolic succession even if the parent church has apostatized. I am sympathetic to their situation.

Wow, that's very interesting.
For clarification, DO they think the Church of England has apostasized? Or is that a rhetorical situation, they believe they have authority from the apostles even if the founding Anglican Church has apostasized? And if it is not rhetorical, in what way do they believe the Church of England has apostasized?

[Biblical Anabaptist]

He told of him & his wife’s journey from Jehovah Witness to Anabaptism but I do not know why he left out the part where he also was an Anglican priest on his journey which is not a small detail.

I'm not suggesting he is trying to hide this part of his journey, but I've got the impression he is not particularly proud of the Anglican priest detour in his journey to Anabaptism. It was motivated by his embrace of apostolic succession as a result of his research on the early church. Perhaps some Anabaptists might hold this against him and see him susceptible to theological errors.

And quite a few former Anabaptists really like his earlier works, and also become obsessed with apostolic succession, "real presence", and eventually infant baptism and all the other heresies one finds in Istanbul.

If I am not mistaken, Bercot still believes in the "real presence". A year or two ago I visited his congregation. He preached a sermon on the communion bread. He brought up the question, "what about the crumbs?" He concluded that we must be very careful about the crumbs.