How do you know this is what health officials are "wishing"?JohnH wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 11:19 amIn other words, they wish...
Just public health officials who wish...
Mennonite Measles in Texas
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The actual way to assess an epidemic is not through self reporting.
Actual public health practice is through other means (surveys, etc.)
So the real question is why officials are whining about “underreporting” at all. Sounds like they are lazy and don’t want to do their jobs - one of which is rebuilding trust with the public.
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In the words of Maya Angelou, “When someone tells you who they are, believe them.” We got to learn in 2020 what public health officials want.Southerner wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 1:17 pmHow do you know this is what health officials are "wishing"?
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Are you familiar with contact tracing?JohnH wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 1:23 pmThe actual way to assess an epidemic is not through self reporting.
Actual public health practice is through other means (surveys, etc.)
So the real question is why officials are whining about “underreporting” at all. Sounds like they are lazy and don’t want to do their jobs - one of which is rebuilding trust with the public.
If you want, I can post you some educational material.
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More familiar than I ever wanted to be after the COVID debacle. It was a complete waste of time, and I don't think most people would be interested in dealing with that again.
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Then please do tell how one would assess the spread of the measles in Texas.
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You'd conduct surveys including secondary ones of people like health care providers to assess the overall level. Relying on self-reports is so unscientific it's embarrassing it's even being discussed here.Soloist wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 2:42 pmThen please do tell how one would assess the spread of the measles in Texas.
Then again, during COVID, it seemed everything I'd learned about public health was completely disregarded.
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Healthcare providers are required to report certain diseases to CDC and measles is one of them. That’s how you find identifiable case. You follow that case and trace exposures and risks attempting to either find the source i.e. your illegal immigrants you like to harp on, some missionary, or whether it’s unsourced. That often is the first way the CDC even finds out there’s a disease starting to move about. It’s not relying on self reports, although I don’t really see why you think that’s any different than a survey people answer…JohnH wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 3:57 pm
You'd conduct surveys including secondary ones of people like health care providers to assess the overall level. Relying on self-reports is so unscientific it's embarrassing it's even being discussed here.
Then again, during COVID, it seemed everything I'd learned about public health was completely disregarded.
It seems like you don’t understand how these things are managed or why they’re done the way they’re done which was the way it was done before Covid as well.
Surveys are notoriously unreliable, and I don’t really see how you would appropriately survey a Mennonite community to find out if they have a measles outbreak. It’s much more realistic to contact trace a laboratory proven infection.
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That doesn't mean the counts from those reports are an accurate measure, though.
Yeah, and as we learned during COVID, "contact tracing" is mostly useless for a highly contagious disease.You follow that case and trace exposures and risks attempting to either find the source i.e. your illegal immigrants you like to harp on, some missionary, or whether it’s unsourced.
I'm fully aware. I just think that COVID demonstrated that the way it was done doesn't work.That often is the first way the CDC even finds out there’s a disease starting to move about. It’s not relying on self reports, although I don’t really see why you think that’s any different than a survey people answer…
It seems like you don’t understand how these things are managed or why they’re done the way they’re done which was the way it was done before Covid as well.
I would refuse to participate in any "contact tracing" and I know many other people who would likewise refuse. I suspect the community in Texas would be among them.Surveys are notoriously unreliable, and I don’t really see how you would appropriately survey a Mennonite community to find out if they have a measles outbreak. It’s much more realistic to contact trace a laboratory proven infection.
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Granted. I will point out though, that you think the numbers are lower than what the officials think. You think that them saying the cases are under reported is inaccurate based off of what you were saying.
Seriously?I would refuse to participate in any "contact tracing" and I know many other people who would likewise refuse. I suspect the community in Texas would be among them.
If you yourself would refuse to do it why are you disputing what they’re saying about under reported cases? You are arguing both sides
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