Mennonite Measles in Texas

[JohnH]

I'm not entirely sold on the idea I need to give these vaccines to my 6 month old:

RSV, Hep B, rotavirus, TDAP, Hib, pneumococcal, polio, COVID, MMR, chickenpox, Hep A, meningitis (different one than Hib).

16 vaccines seems like a bit many. And they keep adding more and more. Of course, if I try to Google any information on them, I just get sheets saying "Vaccines are safe and effective" over and over.

Is your 6 month old infant immune from deadly diseases?

Do you know what the infant death rate was in this country before the advent of vaccines?

I grew up with a full compliment of vaccines, but not rotavirus, hib, Covid, chickenpox, or rsv. Somehow, we survived.

[Soloist]

We had problems of a different sort 15 years ago. Tc99m MAA used to have three different manufacturers. When it dwindled down to one, the remaining one multiplied the price X5, saying they needed “new investment in facilities.” This has a patent date of like 1975, and it is quite inexpensive to make. Well, to make a long story short, the president of the society of nuclear medicine began a campaign to bring the Japanese product, made by Fujisawa, to the United States. He was almost literally going to “pass the hat“ at the annual meeting estimate of cost to get this product approved in the United States was about $1 million. Now the Fujisawa product is perfectly fine, and would meet US approval with only limited clinical trials. I guess the company that was making it thought he was serious because they cut the price almost down to the original level.

Maybe this could be a prototype for efforts to bring about non-fetal cell vaccines. I would love to see them personally. In actuality, I think our underlying beliefs are closer than you may think, the only difference being the calculus of what to do with the current vaccines.

That would be really nice, but I somehow doubt it would succeed. Back when there was talk about going to Japan I certainly was interested but couldn't afford it. I never heard anything else for it so I doubt it happened.

I primarily only do TD and Polio but I'm not opposed to the vaccines without fetal cells, I just have differing opinions on these other ones but not a conviction.

[Judas Maccabeus]

We had problems of a different sort 15 years ago. Tc99m MAA used to have three different manufacturers. When it dwindled down to one, the remaining one multiplied the price X5, saying they needed “new investment in facilities.” This has a patent date of like 1975, and it is quite inexpensive to make. Well, to make a long story short, the president of the society of nuclear medicine began a campaign to bring the Japanese product, made by Fujisawa, to the United States. He was almost literally going to “pass the hat“ at the annual meeting estimate of cost to get this product approved in the United States was about $1 million. Now the Fujisawa product is perfectly fine, and would meet US approval with only limited clinical trials. I guess the company that was making it thought he was serious because they cut the price almost down to the original level.

Maybe this could be a prototype for efforts to bring about non-fetal cell vaccines. I would love to see them personally. In actuality, I think our underlying beliefs are closer than you may think, the only difference being the calculus of what to do with the current vaccines.

That would be really nice, but I somehow doubt it would succeed. Back when there was talk about going to Japan I certainly was interested but couldn't afford it. I never heard anything else for it so I doubt it happened.

I primarily only do TD and Polio but I'm not opposed to the vaccines without fetal cells, I just have differing opinions on these other ones but not a conviction.

If he would have "lifted an offering" from some of those quite well off Radiologists, Nuclear Med Physicians and Pathologists, 1 million would have been a possibility. I could see it now SMMI brand MAA, from the people that brought you....well all of this.

[Grace]

It has been reported that Wellspan Hospital in Ephrata has reported a case of measles.

https://www.wgal.com/article/department ... e/64467109

[barnhart]

New York State has issued a travel advisory for Ontario because of the measles outbreak. There is some reporting that it started in the mennonite community.

[Judas Maccabeus]

New York State has issued a travel advisory for Ontario because of the measles outbreak. There is some reporting that it started in the mennonite community.

I am headed to Ontario this weekend. I am glad I am immune. As best as I can tell, it is bad.

[Soloist]

New York State has issued a travel advisory for Ontario because of the measles outbreak. There is some reporting that it started in the mennonite community.

I am headed to Ontario this weekend. I am glad I am immune. As best as I can tell, it is bad.

Honestly... we do a serious disservice to society and our reputation to just do our normal life when we are sick.
If you are sick, stay home. If you have a measles outbreak, Chickenpox, so on and so forth... stay home if your children get sick, don't travel.
I disagreed with the "panic" surrounding covid especially with the isolation for fear of getting sick, but if you got it, it made perfect sense to quarantine.
(I'm still hoping for chicken pox before my son is too old though)

Shutting down church for a possibility is not the same as shutting down church when the majority get sick.

I'm not looking forward to it hitting here and it seems pretty likely at some point.

[Grace]

New York State has issued a travel advisory for Ontario because of the measles outbreak. There is some reporting that it started in the mennonite community.

I am headed to Ontario this weekend. I am glad I am immune. As best as I can tell, it is bad.

Honestly... we do a serious disservice to society and our reputation to just do our normal life when we are sick.
If you are sick, stay home. If you have a measles outbreak, Chickenpox, so on and so forth... stay home if your children get sick, don't travel.
I disagreed with the "panic" surrounding covid especially with the isolation for fear of getting sick, but if you got it, it made perfect sense to quarantine.
(I'm still hoping for chicken pox before my son is too old though)

Shutting down church for a possibility is not the same as shutting down church when the majority get sick.

I'm not looking forward to it hitting here and it seems pretty likely at some point.

There is a Chickenpox vaccine. Something that was not offered when our children were small. I exposed our children to their cousins who had Chickenpox, just to get it over with before they entered school. The cousins had broken out and were covered with spots. But apparently at that stage in Chickenpox the children must not have been contagious anymore, because my plan didn't work. Our children did not get Chickenpox from their cousins. Of course, when they entered school, they did get them. The older the child is, the worse Chickenpox are. I got them when I was in my teens, and I got much sicker than the younger siblings in the family.

I agree that when you or anyone else in the family is sick, stay at home.

[Soloist]

There is a Chickenpox vaccine. Something that was not offered when our children were small. I exposed our children to their cousins who had Chickenpox, just to get it over with before they entered school. The cousins had broken out and were covered with spots. But apparently at that stage in Chickenpox the children must not have been contagious anymore, because my plan didn't work. Our children did not get Chickenpox from their cousins. Of course, when they entered school, they did get them. The older the child is, the worse Chickenpox are. I got them when I was in my teens, and I got much sicker than the younger siblings in the family.

Yes, the older a child gets the worse it gets, which is why I’m concerned about it.
The chickenpox vaccine was produced on fetal cells.

From what I understand when chickenpox scabs over, it’s not nearly as contagious. We’ve had at least one exposure with no results. It’s also a little bit complicated because there has been at least one time we’ve heard about it but we had a baby under one at the time and I’m not willing to risk that.

[JohnH]

Honestly... we do a serious disservice to society and our reputation to just do our normal life when we are sick.

If you are sick, stay home.

I'm not sure I agree with this anymore. We had a large, global experiment of what happens when people always "stay home" when they are sick, and in particular can see what happened in Australia where they were very strict about this.

Eventually, the diseases still spread and could not be avoided. Staying home is just postponing the inevitable.

If you have a measles outbreak, Chickenpox, so on and so forth... stay home if your children get sick, don't travel.

There isn't any evidence staying home actually stops the progression of a pandemic. It just makes the pandemic last longer.

I disagreed with the "panic" surrounding covid especially with the isolation for fear of getting sick, but if you got it, it made perfect sense to quarantine.

Did it? Other people are still going to get it. So what's the point in "staying home"?

In addition, in the real world, there are still jobs that need to be done, children taken care of, businesses to run, etc. regardless of if owners and moms and dads are sick. It's not really an option to just take 2-week vacations whenever I get the sniffles.