JohnH wrote: ↑Sat Mar 29, 2025 10:25 am
Bootstrap wrote: ↑Sat Mar 29, 2025 10:10 amNo, but I would be quite comfortable preaching on a text like this:
“You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself…”
— Leviticus 19:34
And the fact that this is now politically controversial does not change that. I preached on texts like this back when Christians generally supported refugees across the board. I don't think politicians should determine what parts of the Bible we preach or avoid.
Which is something we can personally practice, but the government “cannot love someone as themselves”.
Still, God holds governments and nations to account. Not only for abortion and sexual immorality. And not just Israel.
Ezekiel 16:49–50
Sin of Sodom
Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned;
they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.
Daniel 4:27
Nebuchadnezzar, Babylonian King
“Renounce your sins by doing what is right, and your wickedness by being kind to the oppressed. It may be that then your prosperity will continue.”
Of course, Israel was also held to account.
Jeremiah 22:13–17
Judgment on King Jehoiakim
“Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,
his upper rooms by injustice,
making his own people work for nothing,
not paying them for their labor...
He defended the cause of the poor and needy,
and so all went well.
Is that not what it means to know me?”
—declares the Lord.
The general principle is the same for both Israel and other nations:
Isaiah 10:1–4
Woe to Unjust Leaders
“Woe to those who make unjust laws,
to those who issue oppressive decrees,
to deprive the poor of their rights
and withhold justice from the oppressed of my people,
making widows their prey
and robbing the fatherless.
Amos 5:11–15, 21–24
Warning to Israel’s Ruling Class
“You levy a straw tax on the poor
and impose a tax on their grain.
Therefore, though you have built stone mansions,
you will not live in them...
Let justice roll on like a river,
righteousness like a never-failing stream!”
The prophets condemn other nations, not just Israel, for doing wrong. For instance, in Amos we see condemnation of:
- Damascus (Aram) for cruelty in war (Amos 1:3–5)
- Gaza (Philistia) for selling whole communities into slavery (1:6–8)
- Tyre for breaking treaties and enslaving people (1:9–10)
- Edom for pursuing vengeance and bloodshed (1:11–12)
- Ammon for violent oppression of pregnant women in war (1:13–15)
- Moab for desecrating human dignity (2:1–3)
In the New Testament, Jesus did not support violent revolution, but he did challenge the political and religious status quo.
Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.
Caesar can have his coin, but we owe everything to God.
My kingdom is not of this world.
Yet it is already in this world, working subversively against the worldly powers. Not the way they do it.
In Romans 13, when Paul says the government is God's servant, I think that also means it has responsibility as well as authority, and it will be judged. That does not change in the New Testament.
1. Are we discussing the topic? Good.
2. Are we going around and around in a fight? Let's stop doing that.
3. Is there some serious wrongdoing or relational injury? Let's address that, probably not in public and certainly not for show.