Russian Molokans

[disciple]

Don't want to derail this thread, but I really wish to meet a Molokan. I have some interesting articles about them. Are the ones you met Constants or Jumpers?

Greetings!

Where would you like to meet up? =)

(I was born and raised a Russian Molokan [Jumper] in Southern California.)

[temporal1]

see how life is?

[Judas Maccabeus]

Don't want to derail this thread, but I really wish to meet a Molokan. I have some interesting articles about them. Are the ones you met Constants or Jumpers?

Greetings!

Where would you like to meet up? =)

(I was born and raised a Russian Molokan [Jumper] in Southern California.)

are they related to the "Old Believers" or "Old Ritualists."

[Soloist]

I think the liberal groups might allow you to marry in, the conservatives you have to be born in them.
They also are a one true church group.

[disciple]

Don't want to derail this thread, but I really wish to meet a Molokan. I have some interesting articles about them. Are the ones you met Constants or Jumpers?

Greetings!

Where would you like to meet up? =)

(I was born and raised a Russian Molokan [Jumper] in Southern California.)

are they related to the "Old Believers" or "Old Ritualists."

No. Not related to the Old Believers. OB are basically still Orthodox (veneration of icons, wearing crosses, kissing rings, Ortho liturgy, priests - mostly, veneration of Mary, prayers to/through saints, etc.)

Molokan Jumpers are more like, traditionalist ... iconoclastic ... Pentecostal ... Quakers... ish...

They came out of the "Spiritual Christian" movement of the 1600-1700's ("Spirit Christians" according to Peter Hoover's book "The Russians' Secret)

[JohnH]

Overall, Eastern Orthodoxy didn’t have a Protestant reformation like Roman Catholicism did. Molokan Christianity is interesting since it is one of the examples of a “reformation” that wasn’t just an import of Western Christianity.

A group of them in Canada were in a sect called “Dukhobors”. The Canadian government did a variety of disgusting things to them, such as seizing their children and putting them in residential schools. The parents could only see them through a chain link fence.

[disciple]

I think the liberal groups might allow you to marry in, the conservatives you have to be born in them.
They also are a one true church group.

None of the groups really "allow" marrying in/out. (Except maybe the 'constant' group in San Francisco ... veeeery small). Although, there are a couple very small, churches that have made allowance for mixed married couples to function in them. Nonetheless, those mixed married people would be treated basically like lepers by the rest of the Molokan community. I had never heard of any Molokan church performing a mixed marriage. Also, for example, in the past 120 years, I know of maybe 5 people who have "successfully" married in (there are and have been about 10,000 total Molokans in America). My mom's uncle "married out." The children of such mixed marriages are called "halfers" and are treated about a half-notch better than 'Samaritan dogs.' Most parents won't let their children date, or keep company with them.

[JohnH]

I think the liberal groups might allow you to marry in, the conservatives you have to be born in them.
They also are a one true church group.

None of the groups really "allow" marrying in/out. (Except maybe the 'constant' group in San Francisco ... veeeery small). Although, there are a couple very small, churches that have made allowance for mixed married couples to function in them. Nonetheless, those mixed married people would be treated basically like lepers by the rest of the Molokan community. I had never heard of any Molokan church performing a mixed marriage. Also, for example, in the past 120 years, I know of maybe 5 people who have "successfully" married in (there are and have been about 10,000 total Molokans in America). My mom's uncle "married out." The children of such mixed marriages are called "halfers" and are treated about a half-notch better than 'Samaritan dogs.' Most parents won't let their children date, or keep company with them.

Most plain Anabaptist groups only marry inside between converts (including those whose parents are Anabaptists, for lack of a better way of saying this). The rate is higher than 5 in 10,000, though. A few groups like Orthodox Mennonites haven’t had any converts in recent memory.

When you say “mixed” is one person a convert or did they not join the religion?

[Heirbyadoption]

I think the liberal groups might allow you to marry in, the conservatives you have to be born in them. They also are a one true church group.

None of the groups really "allow" marrying in/out. (Except maybe the 'constant' group in San Francisco ... veeeery small). Although, there are a couple very small, churches that have made allowance for mixed married couples to function in them. Nonetheless, those mixed married people would be treated basically like lepers by the rest of the Molokan community. I had never heard of any Molokan church performing a mixed marriage. Also, for example, in the past 120 years, I know of maybe 5 people who have "successfully" married in (there are and have been about 10,000 total Molokans in America). My mom's uncle "married out." The children of such mixed marriages are called "halfers" and are treated about a half-notch better than 'Samaritan dogs.' Most parents won't let their children date, or keep company with them.

So a couple questions, as an ex-Cali boy myself...

1. You mentioned San Francisco - I didn't realize the Potrero Hill folks were still active. Is it just older ones at this point?
2. Were you down in Whittier or up around Kerman/Fresno? My late grandpa used to mingle with some of the ones down around Whittier, and I used to know a pair of brothers from the Kerman Molokans who were truck drivers and hauled mulch for us out of Modesto, though I forget their names...
3. Also, did/do the Molokans have any interaction with the Dukhobortsy after leaving Russia?
4. Are any of the contemporary Molokans still nonresistant/pacifists?

[Disciple of Christ]

A group of them in Canada were in a sect called “Dukhobors”. The Canadian government did a variety of disgusting things to them, such as seizing their children and putting them in residential schools. The parents could only see them through a chain link fence.

The Doukhobors are actually quite different.