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[Soloist]

And 99% of doctors probably used to engage in bloodletting.

I’m sure you would be interested in this then https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3757849/

[Ken]

And 99% of doctors probably used to engage in bloodletting.

Would it surprise you to learn that virology and vaccines are not really a part of most medical training? Yes, if you are a pediatrician it is something you are going to cover in residency because childhood vaccinations are a part of pediatric clinical care. But if you are say an orthopedic surgeon or radiologist or some other specialty then you are unlikely to have any greater knowledge or training in virology or vaccines than any ordinary person. Doctors are specialists in what they specialize in, nothing more than that. Having an MD after your name doesn't make you an expert in every aspect of human health.

[JohnH]

“Only people who think vaccines are effective are experts on disease and vaccines.”

[Ken]

“Only people who think vaccines are effective are experts on disease and vaccines.”

You have it exactly backwards. Flip your sentence around if you want to be accurate.

"People who are experts on vaccines and disease think vaccines are effective" is the more accurate statement.

[JohnH]

“Only people who think vaccines are effective are experts on disease and vaccines.”

You have it exactly backwards. Flip your sentence around if you want to be accurate.

"People who are experts on vaccines and disease think vaccines are effective" is the more accurate statement.

No. That’s a consequence of my sentence.

It is currently not possible to become an “expert” in the priesthood of disease unless one first accepts the gospel of vaccines.

[Ken]

“Only people who think vaccines are effective are experts on disease and vaccines.”

You have it exactly backwards. Flip your sentence around if you want to be accurate.

"People who are experts on vaccines and disease think vaccines are effective" is the more accurate statement.

No. That’s a consequence of my sentence.

It is currently not possible to become an “expert” in the priesthood of disease unless one first accepts the gospel of vaccines.

It is you that keeps conflating the language of faith and science.

But it would certainly hard to become an expert in infectious diseases without understanding how the human immune system works and how vaccines confer immunity to infectious diseases. One would have to decide to be willfully ignorant to pull that trick off. And it would certainly be hard to consider someone an expert in infectious diseases if they lack understanding of the human immune system. That would be like an auto mechanic who doesn't know how cars work. Not someone I'd want to hire or rely on.

[JohnH]

You have it exactly backwards. Flip your sentence around if you want to be accurate.

"People who are experts on vaccines and disease think vaccines are effective" is the more accurate statement.

No. That’s a consequence of my sentence.

It is currently not possible to become an “expert” in the priesthood of disease unless one first accepts the gospel of vaccines.

It is you that keeps conflating the language of faith and science.

But it would certainly hard to become an expert in infectious diseases without understanding how the human immune system works and how vaccines confer immunity to infectious diseases. One would have to decide to be willfully ignorant to pull that trick off. And it would certainly be hard to consider someone an expert in infectious diseases if they lack understanding of the human immune system. That would be like an auto mechanic who doesn't know how cars work. Not someone I'd want to hire or rely on.

Right. To become a scientist, you have to accept on faith that “vaccines work”.

[Ken]

No. That’s a consequence of my sentence.

It is currently not possible to become an “expert” in the priesthood of disease unless one first accepts the gospel of vaccines.

It is you that keeps conflating the language of faith and science.

But it would certainly hard to become an expert in infectious diseases without understanding how the human immune system works and how vaccines confer immunity to infectious diseases. One would have to decide to be willfully ignorant to pull that trick off. And it would certainly be hard to consider someone an expert in infectious diseases if they lack understanding of the human immune system. That would be like an auto mechanic who doesn't know how cars work. Not someone I'd want to hire or rely on.

Right. To become a scientist, you have to accept on faith that “vaccines work”.

Faith has absolutely nothing to do with it. And to suggest that it does belies a basic ignorance of how science even works.

[JohnH]

It is you that keeps conflating the language of faith and science.

But it would certainly hard to become an expert in infectious diseases without understanding how the human immune system works and how vaccines confer immunity to infectious diseases. One would have to decide to be willfully ignorant to pull that trick off. And it would certainly be hard to consider someone an expert in infectious diseases if they lack understanding of the human immune system. That would be like an auto mechanic who doesn't know how cars work. Not someone I'd want to hire or rely on.

Right. To become a scientist, you have to accept on faith that “vaccines work”.

Faith has absolutely nothing to do with it. And to suggest that it does belies an ignorance in how science even works.

OK, Ken. Sometimes science changes and we learn new things. Would you ever be open to learning that some vaccines might be harmful? And how would a scientist ever hope to have a career researching this?

[Ken]

Right. To become a scientist, you have to accept on faith that “vaccines work”.

Faith has absolutely nothing to do with it. And to suggest that it does belies an ignorance in how science even works.

OK, Ken. Sometimes science changes and we learn new things. Would you ever be open to learning that some vaccines might be harmful? And how would a scientist ever hope to have a career researching this?

Scientists are constantly researching every aspect of infectious diseases, vaccines, and other treatments including possible side effects. I'm not sure why you have embedded yourself deep down into the conspiracy theory rabbit hole of thinking that isn't the case.