Mennonite Measles in Texas

[Ken]

Ken,

If the COVID vaccine was so effective, why did it have to be issued under an EUA? Oh, that's right, so it could skip the normal vaccine effectiveness and safety standards.

That is complete nonsense and you know it. an EUA shortens the last stages of the approval process so that therapies can be rolled out faster in an emergency. For example, it shortens the lengthy follow-up post-study tracking period normally required. But it doesn't reduce any required efficacy studies or skip any part of the process. Without a EUA, vaccine approval would have taken 6 months to a year longer and hundreds of thousands if not millions more people would have died. And the country would have remained locked-down for much much longer.

If you are such a believer in FDA approval of COVID therapies, tell us what kind of approval Merck sought for the use of Ivermectin as a COVID therapy? Oh that's right. They didn't seek any sort of approval, EUA or otherwise. In fact they recommended against the use of Ivermectin for COVID and correctly said it was ineffective.

[JohnH]

Ken,

If the COVID vaccine was so effective, why did it have to be issued under an EUA? Oh, that's right, so it could skip the normal vaccine effectiveness and safety standards.

That is complete nonsense and you know it. an EUA shortens the last stages of the approval process so that therapies can be rolled out faster in an emergency. For example, it shortens the lengthy follow-up post-study tracking period normally required. But it doesn't reduce any required efficacy studies or skip any part of the process. Without a EUA, vaccine approval would have taken 6 months to a year longer and hundreds of thousands if not millions more people would have died. And the country would have remained locked-down for much much longer.

If you are such a believer in FDA approval of COVID therapies, tell us what kind of approval Merck sought for the use of Ivermectin as a COVID therapy? Oh that's right. They didn't seek any sort of approval, EUA or otherwise. In fact they recommended against the use of Ivermectin for COVID and correctly said it was ineffective.

Ivermectin was approved a long time ago.
Treating Covid with it is merely an off label use.

[Judas Maccabeus]

How does one go about "suppressing" a study? And if it is "suppressed" how do you know about it?

It's a fascinating podcast on the darkhorse I'll have to track down the full one. But the fact it took so long for it to be a Covid treatment is the general effect of what looks like when a solid treatment protocol falling by the wayside. I wanted to track it down as its been awhile. I think this is the podcast though I don't remember listening to two hours of it. Around minute 54 there is some talk about the steroid studies and the results being ignored.

What a paper like the New York Times or the Washington Post decides to say about a study, how much credence to its claims, is one way.

Look how the press fast tracked and supported Pfizer and Merck's antivirals for Covid such as Paxlovid, or Molnupiravir but ignored or chose not to emphasize positive information on things like Vitamin D, and Quercetin, and yes, Ivermectin or HCQ.

Otherwise, if a study has an interpretation or conclusion that goes well beyond the evidence but is on behalf of a product, it gets given a free pass. And promoted. And accepted by medical professionals.

Even if Ivermectin didn't work for Covid, calling it horse medicine is not science. That's propaganda.

It simply did not work in any double blind trial. Therefor it can be presumed, by evidence that it does not work.

The use of steroids in covid is a bit more complicated. The Chinese communicated that it did not work, and the western community assumed they were right, only they were not. They avoided using them because of the damage they did to patients when they did use them during the SARS outbreak, They killed and crippled people through massively too large of doses. Initially, it was thought that the Chinese had more experience, therefor they were ahead of the game, only they were not. Prescribing Corticosteroids in carefully controlled quantities appears to have been a game changer. The Chinese were doing all sorts of odd stuff that later did not seem to produce any positive effect at all. Chairman Xi declared traditional Chinese medicine China's gift to the world....not.

I will continue to maintain that I have yet to see to see a prospective, properly randomized, double blind controlled trial that shows either HCQ or Ivermectin to be effective against covid. I have seen many of them, let me assure you.

Paxiloid does seem to work, but must be started so early that it is of little practical use.

[Pelerin]

An interview with the parents of the girl who died. The video is fifty minutes but the interview is only the first twenty minutes. It mostly focuses on the medical process and then some on vaccines. I didn’t watch anything after the interview but I’m pretty sure the hosts have Opinions they discuss.

(Also, if you get annoyed when they start playing emotional music at emotional parts of interviews…you will be annoyed a bit.)

[Ken]

An interview with the parents of the girl who died. The video is fifty minutes but the interview is only the first twenty minutes. It mostly focuses on the medical process and then some on vaccines. I didn’t watch anything after the interview but I’m pretty sure the hosts have Opinions they discuss.

(Also, if you get annoyed when they start playing emotional music at emotional parts of interviews…you will be annoyed a bit.)

The interview is by Children's Health Defense which is a notorious anti-vax organization and purveyor of misinformation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children% ... th_Defense

[Soloist]

I watched some of it… are they actually old order or what group? not very familiar with old order, but head covering with the hair down?

This right here is a prime example of how terrible medical are communicating why they do what they do…
We are only hearing one side… there is a clear misunderstanding of risk factors from measles such as pneumonia… which either comes from a complete lack of any nurse education or Dr education given to these parents or completely ignoring what was said.
None of the rationale comes from a conviction on fetal cells or a religious reason. Their argument seems centered around health.
There might be a compelling argument for using steroids, but I’m not sure and I’d be willing to bet there’s not a lot of research. Ultimately though, even the best medicine can’t heal everybody. I don’t see anything here about the young lady having pre-existing conditions like was claimed by some nor do I see this as a separate disease (making the claim of she didn’t die from measles)
It’s fairly clear she died of a bacterial infection, but that’s an opportunistic pathogen. In other words, she would not have got it without measles.

[Southerner]

This is sad considering it's entirely preventable w the vaccine.

[JohnH]

This is sad considering it's entirely preventable w the vaccine.

Great - those of you who choose to use vaccines don’t have a thing to worry about, and can leave others to make their own choices.

[JohnH]

I watched some of it… are they actually old order or what group? not very familiar with old order, but head covering with the hair down?

This right here is a prime example of how terrible medical are communicating why they do what they do…
We are only hearing one side… there is a clear misunderstanding of risk factors from measles such as pneumonia… which either comes from a complete lack of any nurse education or Dr education given to these parents or completely ignoring what was said.
None of the rationale comes from a conviction on fetal cells or a religious reason. Their argument seems centered around health.
There might be a compelling argument for using steroids, but I’m not sure and I’d be willing to bet there’s not a lot of research. Ultimately though, even the best medicine can’t heal everybody. I don’t see anything here about the young lady having pre-existing conditions like was claimed by some nor do I see this as a separate disease (making the claim of she didn’t die from measles)
It’s fairly clear she died of a bacterial infection, but that’s an opportunistic pathogen. In other words, she would not have got it without measles.

I think the claim was that she was also sick with something else like whatever the infection is that’s been going around (the Pope is still in the hospital due to it), which I had myself for several weeks, as did my dad, a podcaster I listen to, and many others. Measles is a disease with very low mortality.

[Southerner]

The dad, "Measles are good for the body."