Measles was considered eliminated in the U.S. in 2000 because of widespread use of the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine (MMR), according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Measles was considered eliminated in the U.S. in 2000 because of widespread use of the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine (MMR), according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
The CDC has an odd definition of “eliminated”
It WAS eliminated, until the likes of you all started to push unwarranted vaccines skepticism.
barnhart wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 8:50 am
I wonder if the next 50 years will see some hard lessons about communicable childhood diseases being re- learned.
Maybe in 50 years, but it seems to me that for the near future there is a self-reinforcing loop pushing against vaccines. As fewer children are vaccinated and we lose herd immunity, vaccines will become less effective which will cause people who are on the fence to not vaccinate which will lead to further loss of effectiveness and even fewer willing to vaccinate.
And who's going to convince them otherwise? Health experts who lied about covid, transgenderism, and food safety? Scientists who lied about climate change, chemtrails and the shape of the earth? Government which is the problem not the solution?
OK, I'm being cynical but it's hard for me to see a path back on this or a good many other areas. I've been doing a good bit of thinking lately about adapting to the new normal.
I agree that "experts" have lost their credibility. I'm wondering though if the overuse of vaccines can also be a problem like the overuse of antibiotics? I've heard it discussed that some of these diseases are evolving too and that the vaccines might not be as effective against the new form of the disease.
Mechanism of action of vaccination is different than antibiotics. They target typically one vulnerability of a pathogen. Vaccination “teaches” the immune system about a pathogen, and has a number of mechanisms to fight the pathogen. So escape is much more difficult.
Real world example is Typhoid in India. Almost all of it is multi drug resistant, but the (imperfect) vaccine still works as well as always.
Measles was considered eliminated in the U.S. in 2000 because of widespread use of the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine (MMR), according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
The CDC has an odd definition of “eliminated”
It WAS eliminated, until the likes of you all started to push unwarranted vaccines skepticism.
Wesleyb wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 10:04 am
Maybe in 50 years, but it seems to me that for the near future there is a self-reinforcing loop pushing against vaccines. As fewer children are vaccinated and we lose herd immunity, vaccines will become less effective which will cause people who are on the fence to not vaccinate which will lead to further loss of effectiveness and even fewer willing to vaccinate.
And who's going to convince them otherwise? Health experts who lied about covid, transgenderism, and food safety? Scientists who lied about climate change, chemtrails and the shape of the earth? Government which is the problem not the solution?
OK, I'm being cynical but it's hard for me to see a path back on this or a good many other areas. I've been doing a good bit of thinking lately about adapting to the new normal.
I agree that "experts" have lost their credibility. I'm wondering though if the overuse of vaccines can also be a problem like the overuse of antibiotics? I've heard it discussed that some of these diseases are evolving too and that the vaccines might not be as effective against the new form of the disease.
Mechanism of action of vaccination is different than antibiotics. They target typically one vulnerability of a pathogen. Vaccination “teaches” the immune system about a pathogen, and has a number of mechanisms to fight the pathogen. So escape is much more difficult.
Real world example is Typhoid in India. Almost all of it is multi drug resistant, but the (imperfect) vaccine still works as well as always.
Yes, it is completely different.
First of all, antibiotics are only for bacteria not viruses and most (but not all) vaccines are for viruses.
Second, antibiotics attack the cell wall of bacteria (penicillin) interfere with their protein synthesis and reproduce (tetracycline). Your immune system works completely differently. It identifies infectious invaders and then white blood cells engulf them. Vaccines teach your immune system which infectious agents to attack. White blood cells are like 10-20 times larger than bacteria and there isn't much bacteria can do to prevent themselves from being engulfed and destroyed once your immune system learns to identify them.
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It WAS eliminated, until the likes of you all started to push unwarranted vaccines skepticism.
Death count is two per the BBC. ALL NEEDLESS.
If it’s eliminated how did it come back?
The disease was eliminated in humans at least in the US, even if it still existed in nature and perhaps overseas.
For example, I ELIMINATED rats and cockroaches from my house by using traps, cats, chemicals, and generally removing food sources. But rats and cockroaches are by no means extinct. And if I let down my guard they could easily come back. It is the same with measles and most other diseases.
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…Hemmer, meanwhile, pointed out that the United States had declared measles eliminated in 2000, meaning that the disease had not spread domestically for over 12 months. https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-bem ... 34459.html
…Hemmer, meanwhile, pointed out that the United States had declared measles eliminated in 2000, meaning that the disease had not spread domestically for over 12 months. https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-bem ... 34459.html
I suspected that was the case. We might still technically be under that as we still are sourcing all outbreaks as sourced from out of the US.
…Hemmer, meanwhile, pointed out that the United States had declared measles eliminated in 2000, meaning that the disease had not spread domestically for over 12 months. https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-bem ... 34459.html
I suspected that was the case. We might still technically be under that as we still are sourcing all outbreaks as sourced from out of the US.
Yep it might have been eliminated for awhile inside the US but with all the illegal immigration going on from countries where it's still a problem then yea it's going to be here in the US again.
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