A rant about the lack of spare tires on modern cars

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Re: A rant about the lack of spare tires on modern cars

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ken_sylvania wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2025 3:35 pm
Ken wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2025 2:58 pm
mike wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2025 2:47 pm I didn't realize this was an issue with newer cars. I've always been annoyed at the cars that have a very tight dedicated space for a spare tire, but only for a donut. That's infuriating enough.
If one only drives in nearby metro areas it is probably no big deal. But we often drive pretty long distances in remote country out here in the west. Yesterday I was forced to put 700 miles on the spare with no other options if I wanted to continue the trip. I think WSU in Pullman WA is the most isolated or remote major university in the country. Literally in the middle of nowhere with the nearest freeway at lest 80 miles away in Spokane.

Much of this area has spotty or no cell coverage and good luck finding a tire shop open on weekends which is when we usually do road trips. If you can't be self-sufficient you are taking a risk. Especially in winter.
Sounds like an excellent place to run around with a Tesla. 8-)
It should be no big deal.

There are plenty of public charging stations and Tesla Superchargers in route and at the destination. Even small towns have lots of chargers these days.
The new long range Model 3 Teslas have a 370 mile range on a single charge which is more range than our gas Highlander has. The new fast chargers will charge the vehicle in about 20 minutes. Teslas have far fewer moving parts and are consistently more reliable than most ICE cars. Should just about be able to drive the whole way on one charge, at least in summer. Or make a quick coffee stop to top off the battery half way there.

The one issue is spare tires in case you get a flat and that problem is not unique to Tesla. Many new cars no longer come with spare tires.
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Re: A rant about the lack of spare tires on modern cars

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Ken wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2025 4:05 pm
ken_sylvania wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2025 3:35 pm
Ken wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2025 2:58 pm

If one only drives in nearby metro areas it is probably no big deal. But we often drive pretty long distances in remote country out here in the west. Yesterday I was forced to put 700 miles on the spare with no other options if I wanted to continue the trip. I think WSU in Pullman WA is the most isolated or remote major university in the country. Literally in the middle of nowhere with the nearest freeway at lest 80 miles away in Spokane.

Much of this area has spotty or no cell coverage and good luck finding a tire shop open on weekends which is when we usually do road trips. If you can't be self-sufficient you are taking a risk. Especially in winter.
Sounds like an excellent place to run around with a Tesla. 8-)
It should be no big deal.

There are plenty of public charging stations and Tesla Superchargers in route and at the destination. Even small towns have lots of chargers these days.
The new long range Model 3 Teslas have a 370 mile range on a single charge which is more range than our gas Highlander has. The new fast chargers will charge the vehicle in about 20 minutes. Teslas have far fewer moving parts and are consistently more reliable than most ICE cars. Should just about be able to drive the whole way on one charge, at least in summer. Or make a quick coffee stop to top off the battery half way there.

The one issue is spare tires in case you get a flat and that problem is not unique to Tesla. Many new cars no longer come with spare tires.
I for one, am not falling for all your reasons for buying a Tesla. I can see right through them, and I understand that your true passion is to proudly show your rabid support for Musk out on the West Coast. How close am I with that?
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Re: A rant about the lack of spare tires on modern cars

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I agree about the lack of a spare tire, and also the lack of a full sized one, even if there is an emergency use spare. Those do not have the same diameter, are only meant for up to 50 MPH, and never for long distances, like on your trip. It is also damaging to the car if it is driven very far on the drive axles, because it results in one tire needing to rotate at a higher rate than the other, placing severe strain on the differential.

Another "beef" I have about spare tires is the crazy places they put them. I have a 2010 Dodge Grand Caravan, and the stock location for the spare is underneath, and right under the front row seats. That placement makes it really difficult to get it out from under the vehicle safely. Being here in the "Salt Belt", I really dislike having it under the vehicle anywhere, because it gets so rusted that I'm not sure such a wheel is even safe to use. (So, on this vehicle I keep it inside. I would like to make a way to fasten it down, but haven't done that so far. It's also not a full-size tire.)

I had a vehicle that had it in the trunk, fastened to the hump over the rear axle, and sure, it was a real pain to get at with the car loaded with luggage, but in my opinion, that's still better than putting it underneath, where the Salt Devil can get to it.
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minivan? just toss a full size in the back...
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Re: A rant about the lack of spare tires on modern cars

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R7ehr wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2025 6:17 pm
Ken wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2025 4:05 pm
ken_sylvania wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2025 3:35 pm
Sounds like an excellent place to run around with a Tesla. 8-)
It should be no big deal.

There are plenty of public charging stations and Tesla Superchargers in route and at the destination. Even small towns have lots of chargers these days.
The new long range Model 3 Teslas have a 370 mile range on a single charge which is more range than our gas Highlander has. The new fast chargers will charge the vehicle in about 20 minutes. Teslas have far fewer moving parts and are consistently more reliable than most ICE cars. Should just about be able to drive the whole way on one charge, at least in summer. Or make a quick coffee stop to top off the battery half way there.

The one issue is spare tires in case you get a flat and that problem is not unique to Tesla. Many new cars no longer come with spare tires.
I for one, am not falling for all your reasons for buying a Tesla. I can see right through them, and I understand that your true passion is to proudly show your rabid support for Musk out on the West Coast. How close am I with that?
Drove my daughter's ID4, a VW, in California. Apparently, we were going further than the car's range so we had to recharge. Finding a charging station, EVEN IN CALIFORNIA is no picnic. It made a trip from Santa Cruz to Modesto a pain, and a planning exercise.

As far as the published range goes, you DO know that you are not advised to fully charge them, right? And when you get to the last 15% range anxiety sets in. Try going to the local charging station looking for a gallon can of electricity?
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R7ehr wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2025 6:17 pmI for one, am not falling for all your reasons for buying a Tesla. I can see right through them, and I understand that your true passion is to proudly show your rabid support for Musk out on the West Coast. How close am I with that?
Elon is not my cup of tea. But I honestly doubt any car maker anywhere in the world is really run by high quality people. Every one of them is run by rich people looking to maximize profit. The others are probably more tactful in their political interventions. Musk is a bull in a china shop.

Having actually shopped around for new EVs it is quite clear that Tesla is currently the best bang for the buck. It also happens to be the most American-made car you can buy, more so than any model made by any of big-3. Right now you can buy a new Tesla Model 3 long range (which is their smaller model) for under $34,000 with the current rebates. That is cheaper than an equivalent trim Honda Accord or Toyota Camry which are two roughly equivalent gas models. Most of the other EV manufacturers are entering the US market with expensive SUV style models that are $10K or more higher priced than the Tesla. They make smaller and more economical models for the European and Asian markets but aren't bringing them to the US. For example, a lot of people right now like the Hyundai Ioniq5 which is now being made in Georgia. But their models are $10k more than Teslas. I'm not going to spend an extra $10K to make a political statement.

Right now we don't want another SUV. We already have one. We need to pass the 10 year old Prius down to the daughter who needs a car and replace it with something else. And the Tesla Model 3 is the closest EV replacement to a Prius. Mostly it will be my wife's car for her daily commuting. If the other car manufacturers made smaller EVs that are competitive with Teslas I'd look at them. But they don't. The only two are Nissan Leaf and Chevy Bolt and they are both last generation tech with limited range and slow charging so not an option.
Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2025 6:35 pm Drove my daughter's ID4, a VW, in California. Apparently, we were going further than the car's range so we had to recharge. Finding a charging station, EVEN IN CALIFORNIA is no picnic. It made a trip from Santa Cruz to Modesto a pain, and a planning exercise.

As far as the published range goes, you DO know that you are not advised to fully charge them, right? And when you get to the last 15% range anxiety sets in. Try going to the local charging station looking for a gallon can of electricity?
I have given the issue some thought. 99% of our charging will be in our home garage where our electricity costs 8.79 cents per kilowatt-hour and even less if we join some e-thermostat programs. The occasional road trips we make are either up to Seattle to see daughter #2, over to Bend to see daughter #1, or out to Pullman to see daughter #3. There are enormous numbers of chargers along those routes and at those destinations. Less on the way to Pullman but plenty. And the Pullman drive is the only one that will possibly require charging in route. Driving to Seattle or Bend will just require finding a charge at our destination which is easy and not time-limited. For example, Tesla has a bank of 16 superchargers near our daughter's apartment that is open 24/7 and another bank of chargers near our other daughter's home in Bend. Or honestly we could slow charge in her garage. Over in Pullman there are over 50 public charger locations including some new high speed ones so again, no problem. We go for a day or two and can easily charge near our hotel or AirB&B or just slow charge at the actual AirB&B if it is a house.

Most of the rest of the time will be driving around town or out to the coast or mountains around here for day excursions, none of which will require charging. Most of our cross country skiing and hiking is about 50 miles away and the places we usually go on the coast are no more than about 100 miles away. So none of those will require charging away from home with a Tesla with a 350+ mile range. Even in winter. If I knew for certain we were going to be driving some place with very limited charging options I would just take the Highlander which we are keeping.

In any event, here is part of the calculation. At our current gas price of $3.25/gallon and our current electrical price of 8.79 cents per kilowatt-hour it will be 7.5-times cheaper to operate the Tesla compared to the Highlander. On an annual basis, driving 15,000 miles per year that is about $2111 per year and if we keep the car 15 years that is $31,680 or very nearly the price of the car. In other words, the Tesla almost pays for itself in fuel costs alone. Of course everyone's calculation will be different. But those are the real numbers for our circumstance as you can see below

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Re: A rant about the lack of spare tires on modern cars

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Ken wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2025 7:48 pm If I knew for certain we were going to be driving some place with very limited charging options I would just take the Highlander which we are keeping.

In any event, here is part of the calculation. At our current gas price of $3.25/gallon and our current electrical price of 8.79 cents per kilowatt-hour it will be 7.5-times cheaper to operate the Tesla compared to the Highlander.
Comparing the Tesla to the Highlander is pointless. Compare it to the Prius which you are not keeping, or to whatever non-EV you might consider.
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ken_sylvania wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2025 2:02 pm Also tires are a lot more reliable than they used to be so spares are needed less often.
It's been over 20 years since I had a flat tire. A more recent emergency involved a coolant air bleed hose; I should carry a spare one of those.
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Re: A rant about the lack of spare tires on modern cars

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We have a 2015 KIA Sedona. Were on the way home from Canada on New Year's Day and had a flat tire. It was snowing hard.
Thankfully there was a donut spare tire, but it was up underneath. To get to it, we needed to remove a plate under the floor mat behind the front passenger seat. Then we unscrewed a bolt and it let down a cable until the spare tire was on the ground. Then we twisted it 50 more times or so until the cable was extended long enough that we could drag the tire out from under the van. Worked quite slick. But our van was quite full and no place to put the dirty flat tire and wheel. Thankfully we had a hitch carrier. and we could strap it on there.
And for the first time in 25 years since I had a hitch carrier, I also had a 6"riser/extender that keeps the carrier up off the ground and away from the tailgate of the vehicle. Now I can walk between the carrier and the van to load the van and the tailgate does not hit my totes on the carrier and it does not drag on the ground when I go over a low spot.
This is indeed is one of the best investments I've ever made and wish I would have had it the last 25 years.
www.amazon.com/dp/B0DJSCLWJ1
So go ahead and get one, plus an aluminum hitch carrier, and all your spare tire space worries are settled.

This riser/extender will also allow me to pull a trailer while having a hitch carrier above the trailer hitch. Talk about space efficiency!
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Re: A rant about the lack of spare tires on modern cars

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Ken wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2025 2:19 pm
JohnH wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2025 2:06 pm Spare tires mean more weight and a worse fuel economy rating.

I have a collection of full size spares. If embarking on a long trip I pit 1 or 2 in and a set of tools
We have an older Toyota Highlander AWD that we use for winter and snow driving. I also have a complete extra set of snow tires that I swap every year. So even though the car came with a donut spare, I toss a snow tire in the car for long distance driving over remote terrain here in the west just to have another backup. For people who live in snow zones and have snow tires those are always a ready option for extra spares.

The Prius came with nothing except a tiny little goo kit with a cigarette lighter inflator. Useless.

Since we have cheap electricity here I'm strongly considering replacing the Prius with a new Model 3 which is cheaper than any other option at the moment and they now have a very respectable 370 mile range. It will mostly be my wife's car and she liked the Model 3 best of all the cars we have looked at and test drove so far. But it also has no spare tire or even jack. So I'll have to buy that stuff on the side.
I am searching for a new car right now but just to tell you, I read EVs lose their value the most so just to consider that- do it before Trump drops the EV tax incentive
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