The Border Czar

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Re: The Border Czar

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Jazman wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 12:55 pm This fall, a Brookings poll said that about a third of Americans agree with Trump's quote, that undocumented immigrants are poisoning the blood of the country-- "poisoning the blood."

This phrase chills me. It's not about legality or order. It's visceral. It's guttural repulsion. It is a violent feeling about a massive group of people. And when the President is the one that leads it, it's not just a feeling anymore. It becomes an action."
This all reminds me of Hannah Arendt's book, The Origins of Totalitarianism. She wrote it in 1951, looking at Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia and exploring the social and political conditions that allowed such regimes to rise.

Arendt said that totalitarian leaders care more about creating a fearful mood than about specific policies. When people feel constantly under threat, they become willing to accept extreme measures, thinking they are necessary for survival. The result is a society where cruelty becomes normal, justified by a sense of danger and the belief that only extreme actions can protect the nation. This cycle of fear, anger, and dehumanization leads to a self-reinforcing system where ordinary people accept, and even support, inhumane policies.

And that's how the leaders of these movements build power and loyalty. They need scapegoats. That's why so much of this rhetoric encourages us to think of all immigrants as rapists and criminals, subhuman, and to applaud cruelty - after all "those elites" wouldn't do this kind of thing, "only I can fix it". And the cruelty becomes a kind of proof. Any criticism gets turned into an attack on the other side, which is also portrayed as a danger.

Poor kids.

Watch the frogs boil.
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Only Asylum claims at the southern border should be from Mexican citizens. Once someone from another Latin or Southern American country enters the next safe country, they are to make their asylum claims there, as per the UN. Mexico is a safe country. So all Asylum claims should be made there. This is the core of the Remain in Mexico policy for Asylum seekers from other countries.

Any adult is is arrested in the US and has a minor with them are separated. Anyone crossing the border illegally has broken the law thus they should be detained or removed. The US government did not force them to bring their family. They choose to do so. Actions have consequences.

I understand the desire to better one's life. Most he illegal entries are for monetary reasons. They want to come to make more money. This is not an acceptable or legal reason to seek asylum.

Allowing people to come into the country and maintain an illegal status makes them targets for corrupt actors to take advantage and blackmail. It also allows for trafficking. None of that is ultimately compassionate.

My hope is Congress increases the legal numbers of immigrants and allows them to enter with legal documentation. This would also control the numbers, but shut down much of the trafficking of humans and drugs.
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Robert wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 1:52 pm My hope is Congress increases the legal numbers of immigrants and allows them to enter with legal documentation.
This part I agree with.
Robert wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 1:52 pmI understand the desire to better one's life. Most he illegal entries are for monetary reasons. They want to come to make more money. This is not an acceptable or legal reason to seek asylum.
I also agree with this. Asylum is not for economic claims. We need a good system for each.

But the political theater is not about policy. Very little of this is discussed as concrete policy proposals designed to set up a good system. It's mostly vivid symbolism, couched in the language of war - scary foreigners who are an existential threat, big walls to stop them, the biggest deportation in American history, massive detention camps ...

And none of it is about coming together to solve problems. The fight is more important than that. That's what draws the crowds. That's how they get their power.
Robert wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 1:52 pmAny adult is is arrested in the US and has a minor with them are separated. Anyone crossing the border illegally has broken the law thus they should be detained or removed. The US government did not force them to bring their family. They choose to do so. Actions have consequences.
If an adult is arrested in the US, his children are not sent to jail, they are allowed to communicate with each other, and they each know where the other is. The children are treated humanely. When the adult is released, they can come back together.

Suppose they used this same policy for American citizens - "If he shoplifts, we will take away his children, throw them in detention camps, and he may never see them again!" I think people would be upset about that. We don't do that in our criminal justice system. Can you imagine the outcry if the government started doing that, telling us it would be a "deterrent"?
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Ken wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 12:09 pm
JohnH wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:50 am Can't they make an asylum claim at a port of entry.
Sure.

All it would take is staffing up enough immigration courts and hearings officers to hear such claims. Call your Congressman.
Do you really think even with staffing the country can handle the millions flooded in these past 4 years? Obviously not- it's not just granting asylum. There's WAY more to consider when you take on millions of people
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I really can't understand the lack of logic by you'ns when it comes to this issue. Why you can't see ALL the problems. Trump can. The increase of Latino Trump supporters can. The border patrol can. More than half the country can. But armchair politicians here can't, they think it's just "theatrics" on Trump's part. Good grief,- he among many (including Obama) saw the enormous problem and actually did something about it.
Of course he does not believe in illegals voting like the left does, he wants voterID by U. S. Citizens - oh how preposterous he expect that!

Thank you liberals for creating this situation.
And blame Trump for trying to fix it again only it's so much worse now
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Valerie wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 3:30 pm I really can't understand the lack of logic by you'ns when it comes to this issue. Why you can't see ALL the problems. Trump can. The increase of Latino Trump supporters can. The border patrol can. More than half the country can. But armchair politicians here can't, they think it's just "theatrics" on Trump's part. Good grief,- he among many (including Obama) saw the enormous problem and actually did something about it.
Of course he does not believe in illegals voting like the left does, he wants over ID by U. S. Citizens - oh how preposterous expect that
Oh, I think our current immigration system is dysfunctional. Due largely to decades of bipartisan gridlock in Congress and disingenuousness on both sides.

I just disagree with Trump's proposed authoritarian solutions. We are better than that.

I'll also believe that Trump is actually serious and not just showboating for political effect when he starts implementing obvious cheap, easy, and effective solutions like mandatory E-Verify for all employers and contractors.
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temporal1 wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 12:46 am
Grace wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 9:09 pm
Valerie wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 8:04 am You have to watch the whole thing to get the clear understanding
Not sure why your video was shut down. :?:
Here is another one. Yes, there is family separation.
There also is sex trafficking, rapes, people cooked in trailers, all very cruel. :cry:
https://www.youtube
It’s beastly to create policies that TEMPT the vulnerable to risk life+limb to break laws, including disrespect of national borders. How many reading-posting on this forum could imagine disrespecting ANY national border? Anyone?

As long as crimes are rewarded, crimes will not end.
i pray i never have to face such ugly temptation, i’m not sure i could resist it. i pray i could and would resist it.
Please. No one tempt me with promises of rewards for myself and my family, if only i’m willing to risk our lives and break laws.

That would be a form of torture i’m not sure i could endure.

Those creating such temptations (Congress+POTUS, etc.) should be held complicit along with the violators.
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AMALA EKPUNOBI is a young conservative woman i’m enjoying on the internet.
Youthful, learning, thankfully, she doesn’t resort to a baby talk voice when speaking.

Amala points out TOM HOMAN was employed durng the obama administration (5:30 mark). He has broad experience.

“Trump’s New Border Czar Is NOT Messing Around” / 17min


Msm has failed to report balanced news. Now they lose.
Maybe young conservatives will get some airtime in future? That would be quite a change, eh?
Wonder how many on here watched your video Temp?
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Ken wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 3:36 pm Oh, I think our current immigration system is dysfunctional. Due largely to decades of bipartisan gridlock in Congress and disingenuousness on both sides.

I just disagree with Trump's proposed authoritarian solutions. We are better than that.

I'll also believe that Trump is actually serious and not just showboating for political effect when he starts implementing obvious cheap, easy, and effective solutions like mandatory E-Verify for all employers and contractors.
How is that supposed to work? If I hire someone to fix my roof..... I have to run EVerify?

Do I need to run it on the pizza delivery guy too

What about calling a plumber over to fix a leak in an emergency, "Could you please fill in this EVerify info first"
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In my home state of CA, we took on a lot of Viet Nam refugees. Many were hard working people. Over time this became a problem in my area:

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm ... story.html

I'm all for helping people I'm e and as Trump said "Legally" but I seriously doubt any of you have been personally affected by what's happening. You act like it's heartless to expect legal entry. You act like if we just hired a huge staff we can just take on millions and voila!

You have no idea it seems what it can really be like. I remember what happened when Vietnamese gangs became a real problem. I remember my Dad moving us out of Lis Angeles County to a safer area due to gangs, some threatened my mother.
I imagine most here cannot relate to the actual crime & gang violence. But as you know many illegal entries were single men, not families.
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JohnH wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 3:51 pm
Ken wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 3:36 pm Oh, I think our current immigration system is dysfunctional. Due largely to decades of bipartisan gridlock in Congress and disingenuousness on both sides.

I just disagree with Trump's proposed authoritarian solutions. We are better than that.

I'll also believe that Trump is actually serious and not just showboating for political effect when he starts implementing obvious cheap, easy, and effective solutions like mandatory E-Verify for all employers and contractors.
How is that supposed to work? If I hire someone to fix my roof..... I have to run EVerify?

Do I need to run it on the pizza delivery guy too

What about calling a plumber over to fix a leak in an emergency, "Could you please fill in this EVerify info first"
I'm talking about labor contractors who provide labor for companies.

Like, for example, hotel chains who now outsource all of their maid service to private contractors. If Hilton Hotels chooses to outsource 10,000 hotel maids for all of its hundreds of hotels, fine. It is their right to do so. But Hilton Hotels should still be obligated to make sure that everyone working on its premises is there legally, whether or not it is Hilton Hotels or a private contractor that is writing the paychecks.

Also, companies like Uber and DoorDash who hire tens of thousands of "independent contractor" drivers to drive on their apps. As part of its screening process for drivers, Uber and DoorDash should be obligated to make sure that they aren't using undocumented labor for drivers. They already screen their drivers so that would be an easy enough step to include.

Do you disagree?
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