Anabaptist History Conference (PA, April 2025)

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Neto

Re: Anabaptist History Conference

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Pelerin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 8:38 pm
Neto wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 3:22 pmPerhaps it would more accurately be called "Swiss Brethren History Conference". (Or, something even more exact? I do not know these people.)
Why do you say that? I’d always understood the Swiss Brethren were held by Anabaptists in general as the first instance of “us”—as opposed to others like Thomas Muntzer or the Zwickau prophets who came before and are sometimes lumped in but that we don’t consider “us”. For that matter Felix Manz, George Blaurock, and Michael Sattler all have entries in the (Dutch) Martyr’s Mirror.
I do not in any way think that a Swiss Brethren history would in any way be an inappropriate topic. It would in fact be the most appropriate realm of study for people in this area of the States. It is just that the term 'anabaptist' is generally considered to represent the entire "Radical Reformation" (as it is sometimes called by Protestants and 'Evangelicals'), and the fact that no persons of Dutch Mennonite heritage are included in the list of speakers may indicate that they are being ignored. A direct reference to the actual subject matter would simply be more accurate.

The Dutch counterpart largely developed separately, although there may have been influences from the earlier Swiss beginnings. (Some Russian Mennonite historians of the early to mid 1800's maintained that the Dutch 'Baptism-Minded' movement, as they were called there, started mainly from Waldensian influences,)

Also, I saw no information as to what time periods are being covered. Our histories are almost entirely separate after some early interactions. The cultures of origin are different. The challenges faced were also different, due to the different countries to which they fled. Even the early leaders and writers are different, with nearly no cross-over at all.
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Judas Maccabeus

Re: Anabaptist History Conference

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seinetsodumm wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 9:32 pm Clearly I’m not as learned as you since I’ve never heard of Tillie. I’ll have to check if that’s available at Pathway Publishers. Or perhaps I could borrow your copy?
You might want to look it up. It represents a fairly interesting chapter in the history of the relationship of the Mennonite church, particularly the Reformed Mennonites, and the perception of the surrounding community.

All I really want to know is who is organizing this.
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joshuabgood

Re: Anabaptist History Conference

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Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 10:15 pm
seinetsodumm wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 9:32 pm Clearly I’m not as learned as you since I’ve never heard of Tillie. I’ll have to check if that’s available at Pathway Publishers. Or perhaps I could borrow your copy?
You might want to look it up. It represents a fairly interesting chapter in the history of the relationship of the Mennonite church, particularly the Reformed Mennonites, and the perception of the surrounding community.

All I really want to know is who is organizing this.
The names are the same as the Anabaptist Identity Conference people and KFW folks.
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Judas Maccabeus

Re: Anabaptist History Conference

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joshuabgood wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 6:51 am
Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 10:15 pm
seinetsodumm wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 9:32 pm Clearly I’m not as learned as you since I’ve never heard of Tillie. I’ll have to check if that’s available at Pathway Publishers. Or perhaps I could borrow your copy?
You might want to look it up. It represents a fairly interesting chapter in the history of the relationship of the Mennonite church, particularly the Reformed Mennonites, and the perception of the surrounding community.

All I really want to know is who is organizing this.
The names are the same as the Anabaptist Identity Conference people and KFW folks.
I noticed that right out of the gate. What I want is, before I hand over information, I want to know WHO I am giving it to.
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Heirbyadoption

Re: Anabaptist History Conference

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Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 9:34 am
joshuabgood wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 6:51 am
Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 10:15 pmAll I really want to know is who is organizing this.
The names are the same as the Anabaptist Identity Conference people and KFW folks.
I noticed that right out of the gate. What I want is, before I hand over information, I want to know WHO I am giving it to.
Now we see through a glass darkly, dear brother. 8-)
seinetsodumm wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 9:30 pmUhnfustandich, don’t go getting your broadfalls in bunches. It’s not necessary. Broadfalls are uncomfortable enough without the bunches.
Hey, I wore broadfalls for many, many years. They aren't uncomfortable once you get them broke in, lol. :P
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Soloist

Re: Anabaptist History Conference

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Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 9:34 am
joshuabgood wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 6:51 am
Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 10:15 pm

You might want to look it up. It represents a fairly interesting chapter in the history of the relationship of the Mennonite church, particularly the Reformed Mennonites, and the perception of the surrounding community.

All I really want to know is who is organizing this.
The names are the same as the Anabaptist Identity Conference people and KFW folks.
I noticed that right out of the gate. What I want is, before I hand over information, I want to know WHO I am giving it to.
Wife: I couldn’t figure it out either but you could ask the guy who is the contact for lodging (Steve weiler). in my experience, it seems like Andrew Saint Marie is doing a lot of these talks with his new books. Chester weaver does online high school classes, and I have to admit that I enjoyed his talk about Russian Mennonites on Anabaptist perspectives.
it might just be a group of the popular speakers that decided to get together and do this.
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Josh

Re: Anabaptist History Conference

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Whilst I appreciate ASM on a personal level, I am a little concerned about another unqualified “scholar” emerging similar to what happened with David Bercot, leading many to erroneous conclusions. I am extremely disappointed with his historical revisionism with regards to Michael Sattler in particular.
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Soloist

Re: Anabaptist History Conference

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Josh wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 2:35 pm Whilst I appreciate ASM on a personal level, I am a little concerned about another unqualified “scholar” emerging similar to what happened with David Bercot, leading many to erroneous conclusions. I am extremely disappointed with his historical revisionism with regards to Michael Sattler in particular.
Wife: haven't actually read them other than maybe one in the past. They’re always some of the more expensive books. I think I saw the advertisement for the Michael Sattler one on plain news.
Speaking of which, is the John Roth book (the Earth is the Lord’s) the giant book that supposedly sells for close to 1000 dollars online? Someone said it was because its no longer in print, but I was wondering if the online price was actually a price anyone was paying for it, or if it was just the result of some computer code bidding war
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Heirbyadoption

Re: Anabaptist History Conference

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Soloist wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 3:30 pm
Josh wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 2:35 pmWhilst I appreciate ASM on a personal level, I am a little concerned about another unqualified “scholar” emerging similar to what happened with David Bercot, leading many to erroneous conclusions. I am extremely disappointed with his historical revisionism with regards to Michael Sattler in particular.
Wife: haven't actually read them other than maybe one in the past. They’re always some of the more expensive books. I think I saw the advertisement for the Michael Sattler one on plain news.
Speaking of which, is the John Roth book (the Earth is the Lord’s) the giant book that supposedly sells for close to 1000 dollars online? Someone said it was because its no longer in print, but I was wondering if the online price was actually a price anyone was paying for it, or if it was just the result of some computer code bidding war
I've watched it go for anywhere from 300-750 at a couple auctions...
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mike

Re: Anabaptist History Conference

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Soloist wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 3:30 pm
Josh wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 2:35 pm Whilst I appreciate ASM on a personal level, I am a little concerned about another unqualified “scholar” emerging similar to what happened with David Bercot, leading many to erroneous conclusions. I am extremely disappointed with his historical revisionism with regards to Michael Sattler in particular.
Wife: haven't actually read them other than maybe one in the past. They’re always some of the more expensive books. I think I saw the advertisement for the Michael Sattler one on plain news.
Speaking of which, is the John Roth book (the Earth is the Lord’s) the giant book that supposedly sells for close to 1000 dollars online? Someone said it was because its no longer in print, but I was wondering if the online price was actually a price anyone was paying for it, or if it was just the result of some computer code bidding war
I bought mine for around $60 used on eBay. I should probably go into the business of picking stocks
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