Head covering question

[Soloist]

I think there was someone who did some research and basically concluded that speaking in tongues was based dramatically on the individuals on dialect background. Someone speaking in tongues in most churches anyway, is using the same phonetic structures that they grew up with.
Me personally I’ve only heard of one account that was translated. The pastor translated what some guy was rattling off some great blessing, my friend happened to be with the older lady, apparently gifted with interpretation. She was horrified and said the man had blasphemed the most vile things.

[RZehr]

I think there was someone who did some research and basically concluded that speaking in tongues was based dramatically on the individuals on dialect background. Someone speaking in tongues in most churches anyway, is using the same phonetic structures that they grew up with.
Me personally I’ve only heard of one account that was translated. The pastor translated what some guy was rattling off some great blessing, my friend happened to be with the older lady, apparently gifted with interpretation. She was horrified and said the man had blasphemed the most vile things.

That pastor was probably the guys buddy, and the older lady probably didn’t think much of the guy at all. I can imagine how this sort of “gift of tongues” and “gift of Interpretation”would add color to church fights.

[Soloist]

That pastor was probably the guys buddy, and the older lady probably didn’t think much of the guy at all. I can imagine how this sort of “gift of tongues” and “gift of Interpretation”would add color to church fights.

Supposedly the old lady and my friend hadn’t gone there before.

[Heirbyadoption]

Tongues speaking has nothing to do with the OP head covering question. I think gracefortoday is being quite patient with us.

[Ernie]

A former Amish then Mennonite woman stopped covering telling me God cares very little about what He says little about. I don't necessarily degree but she was fed up with the Anabaptists rules in "specific requirements" it seems and left Anabaptism for what she called a "Full Gospel" Church. She distanced herself from me when I started covering (I was sad at this, as so did women from my church at the time). Parkside people don't comment except couple people asking where I came from- I feel most comfortable at Oasis Tabernacle where most women cover, but not "Uniformity" where Holy hands are lifted and spiritual gifts believed in and not criticized.

People have been leaving Plain Anabaptist churches now for about 500 years. This is a long enough time to see the fruit of their trajectories. Contemporary stories are sensational but it is quite predictable what the fruit will be. There are various "specific requirements" that seem unnecessary to me, and I write and speak about these things. But if I would get "fed up" with things and live in reaction, my trajectory would be very predictable.

[ohio jones]

... there are those with the gift of interpretation, and some can interpret their own utterance in the Spirit.

I would be extremely skeptical of self-interpretation. When the Bible speaks of two or three witnesses it does not mean "me, myself, and I."

[Judas Maccabeus]

From the most widely used Greek lexicon (Thayer):

A tongue, i. e. the language used by a particular people in distinction from that of other nations.

In other words, a language, used by people. The definition of the words you are referring to drives the meaning of the passage. Using it for some kind of angelic language distorts the passage. You, or the Azusuza street people who cooked this up, are twisting the actual meaning of this. As the founder of the great Christian and Missionary Alliance A.B. Simpson is reported to have said about the tongues movement:

“I think there might be some of God in this” before largely concluding it was a distraction.”

We believe that the baptism and fullness of the Holy Spirit does indeed manifest. But he does so through holiness and a changed life.

[Valerie]

... there are those with the gift of interpretation, and some can interpret their own utterance in the Spirit.

I would be extremely skeptical of self-interpretation. When the Bible speaks of two or three witnesses it does not mean "me, myself, and I."

I was referring to 1 Corinthians 14:13

" Therefore let him who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret, for if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the Spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding.

Probably 1 Corinthians 14 teaches most about this gift.

[ohio jones]

... there are those with the gift of interpretation, and some can interpret their own utterance in the Spirit.

I would be extremely skeptical of self-interpretation. When the Bible speaks of two or three witnesses it does not mean "me, myself, and I."

I was referring to 1 Corinthians 14:13

" Therefore let him who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret, for if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the Spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding.

Probably 1 Corinthians 14 teaches most about this gift.

Yes. I had in mind v. 27-28:

If anyone speaks in a tongue, let there be two or at the most three, each in turn, and let one interpret. But if there is no interpreter, let him keep silent in church, and let him speak to himself and to God.

If someone is speaking in tongues to himself and to God, and God gives him the interpretation, then let him be edified. But that is not something to share publicly, nor to practice in the church assembly.

[Sudsy]

Doesn't look like all this tongues talk is going to get to a thread on tongues instead of this thread on a head covering so I'll add a thought or two about speaking in tongues.

I believe there is a genuine speaking in unknown tongues in one's own private prayer life and also in a church gathering. The church gathering tongues speaking, according to the scriptures, needs to be accompanied with an interpretation. Otherwise, as scripture says, an outsider will hear the unknown tongues and think we have gone crazy.

I also believe that satan and the flesh (our old nature when we give it life) can produce counterfeit gifts to the true gifts of the Spirit. That is why we need the gift of discernment to know what is God sourced and what is not.

In charismatic churches, who believe the gifts of the Spirit are still gifts for today, in my experience, I believe what is often most lacking is the gift of discernment to know what spirit, human or satan or the Holy Spirit, is the source of these utterances. Scripture says we are not to believe every spirit but to test them to see that they are of God - 1 John 4:1.

How do we test these then ? If the church has someone(s) with the gift of discernment of spirits, I believe they need to use their gift and speak up when a wrong spirit is giving an interpretation of an unknown tongue. And if someone speaks in an unknown tongue with no interpretation, they should be told this was not appropriate in a church service. I have only heard this done a couple times in my life where the pastor told the tongues speaker that they should pray for the gift of interpretation if they were going to speak in tongues where everyone could hear them. Sadly, imo, often scripture guidance in this area is often ignored by the pastor and probably viewed as restricting the Spirit from working.

My understanding amongst Anabaptists (and I could have this wrong) is that most do not agree that all spiritual gifts have ceased. However, they also don't have them active in their churches. Some seem to have given them meaning that is not of a supernatural nature. But there are some charismatic Anabaptists too and I personally haven't been in their churches to see what goes on.

I believe the real operation of spiritual gifts is very powerful and I believe I have witnessed these gifts at times in operation and they have big positive impact on believers and their Christ following. There also is the counterfeit and often can have immediate affects on the emotions but does not last and provide sustained fruit of the Spirit. Personally, I think many have 'thrown out the baby with the bath water' to avoid dealing with the misuses of spiritual gifts. Some are just afraid of the supernatural.