If that is the primary way scripture says to grow God's Kingdom but it isn't. The masses Jesus came to save is far beyond raising children. Rather we are to 'Go out quickly into the streets and alleys of the town and bring in the poor, the crippled, the blind and the lame. ‘Go out into the country lanes and behind the hedges and urge anyone you find to come, so that the house will be full.' Luke 14:21 & 23. Salvation is a invite, not a command.Ernie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2024 11:12 pm If the goal is to see how many people we can get into heaven, I think quite a few old orders and ultra-conservatives probably do about as good as anyone, when you think of the number of descendants who get a good spiritual start in a greenhouse, and have a better chance of surviving spiritually.
I think it probably comes down to our goals/vision. Are our goals for the here and now, or do our goals include our posterity?
If the latter... it could look like this if families average 6 children who raise families, and "command their children and their households after them" like Abraham did.
2 parents - 6 children - 36 grandchildren - 216 great-grandchildren - 1296 great-great grandchildren - 7776 great-great-great grandchildren. Total =9,330 if they don't marry their third and fourth cousins. Not something at all to sneeze at.
BTW, If you have 10 such sets of parents in ten different places in the USA, that is nearly a million descendants. Sort of seems like reaching a MASS number of people to me.
Are the old orders and ultra-conservatives reaching out like Jesus did even outside His ethnic Jewish community ? Jesus ministry was primarily to His own people, the Jews, but He sent His followers into the whole world with the Gospel. Paul writes - 'For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile'. – Romans 1:16
So, the way I see it is that Jesus had a training strategy. That strategy required that his messengers needed to learn first by engaging those of the same culture and language. This would give them some training to then go out into cross-cultural evangelism in the future. So the Gospel is a first to our own households but then to the world. Those English, rather Gentiles. The latter seems to me to be where evangelism to our own family and ethnicity and not extending to everyone is an incorrect understanding of who the lost are that Jesus desires to save.
If Christianity remained only to the Jews, that could be regarded as a big number but compared to the population of Gentiles, non-Jews, that could be reached that number would be very small. I, for one, am very thankful that I am one where the Gospel was not confined to the Jews only but was shared with my unchurched parents and I was blessed to have been raised with teachings of the Gospel.