Bunny Trails

[MaxPC]

Max, respectfully I think your representation of being a Plain Catholic is extremely distorting and portrays and unrealistic situation.

There is no such thing as Plain Catholics, not in the sense that there are Byzantines, or Latin Mass traditionalists. Or various orders off clergy. Plain Catholic is a hobby, an interest and not a movement within the church if notable influences, such as Charasmatics once were.

That does not mean you are not Catholic, nor your other explanations of Catholic practice or rules is wrong.
Or that you or others seeking to be Plain Catholics are bad.

But no, tell me your priests or bishop operate outside normal diocesan mechanisms? If they do they are not licit.

That is your opinion and you are welcome to it. However it does not reflect reality nor knowledge of the different and rich variety of cultures within Catholicism. Go in peace and seek the Lord in the manner in which God calls you as a Catholic. We are doing likewise.

[JayP]

Nice evasion.
How does “Plain” Catholic distinguish itself from non Plain Catholicism in terms of religious practices and organization?
For example, my nearby FSSP. Hutch is an order within the RCC allowed to offer Mass using a different liturgy (Tridentine versus Novus Ordo). To offer sacraments like baptism using different rubrics.

I simply ask for you to clarify to your many readers that “plain” Catholic does not have The word Plain modify the word Catholic.
If your home and daily lifestyle is more Plain, etc there is nothing wrong with that. It is as though you choose to be vegetarian. There may be value in that choice, and deep personal lifestyle consequences.

But being vegan, or Plain, or tall or short, does not change Catholicism the way Plain is used in anabaptist circles.
I just think you mislead folks.

[temporal1]

Dancing a jig

[Soloist]

I think I’m going to be a real vegetarian. I’ll only eat vegetarian eating animals.

[Sudsy]

What I mean is on the one hand I understand there is a situation where a person wants to ask a question of people “really on that group” (as though that is not debatable itself) as opposed to some other dude that knows little about it.

On the other hand, given the vagueness on what constitutes “qualifying” to be part of the group I wonder how effective that is.

And finally, even membership does not equate to knowledge. What I mean by that, is I know Lutheran ministers that are trained academics that know FAR more about Catholicism than the Irish guy next door that identifies as Catholic but hasn’t a clue about his churches beliefs.

I am no longer an Anabaptist. But 8 suspect I know more about Eastern than an German River Brethern guy living his whole life in CA

SO I am confused by expectations on who should and should not comment in many of these threads.

Personally, I am not for isolating who can and who cannot participate on a thread. I think this shows up at times with those who come from a more controlled environment where the views of others on some topics are just not welcomed. I like to think that forums are not churches and the guidelines under each sub forum is all the screening needed.

But with that said, if I am not an 'Anabaptist' under some definition of what an 'Anabaptist' is, should I even be posting in the 'Current Events' and the 'Anabaptist Theology and Practise' sub forums as they are described ?

[RZehr]

What I mean is on the one hand I understand there is a situation where a person wants to ask a question of people “really on that group” (as though that is not debatable itself) as opposed to some other dude that knows little about it.

On the other hand, given the vagueness on what constitutes “qualifying” to be part of the group I wonder how effective that is.

And finally, even membership does not equate to knowledge. What I mean by that, is I know Lutheran ministers that are trained academics that know FAR more about Catholicism than the Irish guy next door that identifies as Catholic but hasn’t a clue about his churches beliefs.

I am no longer an Anabaptist. But 8 suspect I know more about Eastern than an German River Brethern guy living his whole life in CA

SO I am confused by expectations on who should and should not comment in many of these threads.

Personally, I am not for isolating who can and who cannot participate on a thread. I think this shows up at times with those who come from a more controlled environment where the views of others on some topics are just not welcomed. I like to think that forums are not churches and the guidelines under each sub forum is all the screening needed.

But with that said, if I am not an 'Anabaptist' under some definition of what an 'Anabaptist' is, should I even be posting in the 'Current Events' and the 'Anabaptist Theology and Practise' sub forums as they are described ?

It has nothing to do with “those who come from a more controlled environment”.
It has to do with order. It has to do with propriety, decency and good manners. Lots of life is this way.
At work I am part of certain email groups - others are excluded.
There are industry conferences that are only open to people who are part of the industry.
There are speakers at universities where everyone in the audience is expected to shut up because there is a time and place for everything. Audience members didn’t show up to have a free for all.
When you go out to eat with someone, it is inappropriate for me or any member of the public to just sit down at your table and proceed to dominate the conversation on a topic that you don’t care about.
And It isn’t right to jump up during every Sunday sermon time at church, and try to discuss with the preacher, for example, the many different words the Eskimos have for snow. Maybe find another time and place to discuss snow with the pastor.

But I understand that perhaps some people are socially awkward and might occasionally miss some of these social norms here and there. A couple weeks ago I was trying to have a conversation with a friend I hadn’t seen for a long time. While my other young autistic friend kept interjecting about other things. Such is life.

[temporal1]

The invitation:

MennoNet.com
“Where Mennonites and others connect”

This forum began (MD) as a fun internet experiment of a few CM teens. No lofty goals.
They literally presumed it would not last a year. They were on their family desktop computers, from what i know.

Who knows how they happened to include those prophetic words, “and others” .. the “founders” mostly grew up and moved on, some early ones remain, some check in now+then. “and others” continue to arrive, along with CMs, those two words are the invitation.

Not all would have included those two words. No way! Not all forums have the longevity MD-MN has “enjoyed.”

“From the mouths of babes” ..
The teens did an impressive job with MD, i doubt anyone could have done better. Altho no shortage of volunteers.

As the forum moved along, admin-mods decided it was ok to request broad parameters for certain threads.
Not ok to ask individual members to give them some space. Sometimes “this question is for” .. is an attempt to achieve focus without naming names.

No system is perfect.
For myself, i embrace the subjective nature of the forum, and i do not expect any human to be perfect, not myself or others.
Scriptures say this is pretty much folly.

Turns out, scriptural warnings save a lot of time and heartache.

[Sudsy]

What I mean is on the one hand I understand there is a situation where a person wants to ask a question of people “really on that group” (as though that is not debatable itself) as opposed to some other dude that knows little about it.

On the other hand, given the vagueness on what constitutes “qualifying” to be part of the group I wonder how effective that is.

And finally, even membership does not equate to knowledge. What I mean by that, is I know Lutheran ministers that are trained academics that know FAR more about Catholicism than the Irish guy next door that identifies as Catholic but hasn’t a clue about his churches beliefs.

I am no longer an Anabaptist. But 8 suspect I know more about Eastern than an German River Brethern guy living his whole life in CA

SO I am confused by expectations on who should and should not comment in many of these threads.

Personally, I am not for isolating who can and who cannot participate on a thread. I think this shows up at times with those who come from a more controlled environment where the views of others on some topics are just not welcomed. I like to think that forums are not churches and the guidelines under each sub forum is all the screening needed.

But with that said, if I am not an 'Anabaptist' under some definition of what an 'Anabaptist' is, should I even be posting in the 'Current Events' and the 'Anabaptist Theology and Practise' sub forums as they are described ?

It has nothing to do with “those who come from a more controlled environment”.
It has to do with order. It has to do with propriety, decency and good manners. Lots of life is this way.
At work I am part of certain email groups - others are excluded.
There are industry conferences that are only open to people who are part of the industry.
There are speakers at universities where everyone in the audience is expected to shut up because there is a time and place for everything. Audience members didn’t show up to have a free for all.
When you go out to eat with someone, it is inappropriate for me or any member of the public to just sit down at your table and proceed to dominate the conversation on a topic that you don’t care about.
And It isn’t right to jump up during every Sunday sermon time at church, and try to discuss with the preacher, for example, the many different words the Eskimos have for snow. Maybe find another time and place to discuss snow with the pastor.

But I understand that perhaps some people are socially awkward and might occasionally miss some of these social norms here and there. A couple weeks ago I was trying to have a conversation with a friend I hadn’t seen for a long time. While my other young autistic friend kept interjecting about other things. Such is life.

I believe things like 'propriety, decency and good manners' can be had without restrictive access to forum threads. This is a forum where 'Mennonites and others connect' as the main screen states. How we are to conduct ourselves can be read in the ' Board Guidelines' thread. I don't see anywhere that we are to isolate anyone from participating in a thread. But if there is, it can be pointed out to me. Either this is an open forum or it is not. I can't 'connect' with others if I am being restricted beyond the rules and calling it keeping order. Thats my view.

[RZehr]

Personally, I am not for isolating who can and who cannot participate on a thread. I think this shows up at times with those who come from a more controlled environment where the views of others on some topics are just not welcomed. I like to think that forums are not churches and the guidelines under each sub forum is all the screening needed.

But with that said, if I am not an 'Anabaptist' under some definition of what an 'Anabaptist' is, should I even be posting in the 'Current Events' and the 'Anabaptist Theology and Practise' sub forums as they are described ?

It has nothing to do with “those who come from a more controlled environment”.
It has to do with order. It has to do with propriety, decency and good manners. Lots of life is this way.
At work I am part of certain email groups - others are excluded.
There are industry conferences that are only open to people who are part of the industry.
There are speakers at universities where everyone in the audience is expected to shut up because there is a time and place for everything. Audience members didn’t show up to have a free for all.
When you go out to eat with someone, it is inappropriate for me or any member of the public to just sit down at your table and proceed to dominate the conversation on a topic that you don’t care about.
And It isn’t right to jump up during every Sunday sermon time at church, and try to discuss with the preacher, for example, the many different words the Eskimos have for snow. Maybe find another time and place to discuss snow with the pastor.

But I understand that perhaps some people are socially awkward and might occasionally miss some of these social norms here and there. A couple weeks ago I was trying to have a conversation with a friend I hadn’t seen for a long time. While my other young autistic friend kept interjecting about other things. Such is life.

I believe things like 'propriety, decency and good manners' can be had without restrictive access to forum threads. This is a forum where 'Mennonites and others connect' as the main screen states. How we are to conduct ourselves can be read in the ' Board Guidelines' thread. I don't see anywhere that we are to isolate anyone from participating in a thread. But if there is, it can be pointed out to me. Either this is an open forum or it is not. I can't 'connect' with others if I am being restricted beyond the rules and calling it keeping order. Thats my view.

Do you find that you enjoy broad success in your attempts to ‘connect’ where you aren’t wanted?

[Sudsy]

It has nothing to do with “those who come from a more controlled environment”.
It has to do with order. It has to do with propriety, decency and good manners. Lots of life is this way.
At work I am part of certain email groups - others are excluded.
There are industry conferences that are only open to people who are part of the industry.
There are speakers at universities where everyone in the audience is expected to shut up because there is a time and place for everything. Audience members didn’t show up to have a free for all.
When you go out to eat with someone, it is inappropriate for me or any member of the public to just sit down at your table and proceed to dominate the conversation on a topic that you don’t care about.
And It isn’t right to jump up during every Sunday sermon time at church, and try to discuss with the preacher, for example, the many different words the Eskimos have for snow. Maybe find another time and place to discuss snow with the pastor.

But I understand that perhaps some people are socially awkward and might occasionally miss some of these social norms here and there. A couple weeks ago I was trying to have a conversation with a friend I hadn’t seen for a long time. While my other young autistic friend kept interjecting about other things. Such is life.

I believe things like 'propriety, decency and good manners' can be had without restrictive access to forum threads. This is a forum where 'Mennonites and others connect' as the main screen states. How we are to conduct ourselves can be read in the ' Board Guidelines' thread. I don't see anywhere that we are to isolate anyone from participating in a thread. But if there is, it can be pointed out to me. Either this is an open forum or it is not. I can't 'connect' with others if I am being restricted beyond the rules and calling it keeping order. Thats my view.

Do you find that you enjoy broad success in your attempts to ‘connect’ where you aren’t wanted?

I think it's a given that there will always be those who would like to only 'connect' with those who agree with them and they can use the 'foes' option to screen them out. But others who will 'connect' gives them opportunity to share and learn from one another. I prefer and do enjoy the latter.