Questions for Catholics and Orthodox

Christianity can be taxonomically divided into six main groups: the Church of the East, Oriental Orthodoxy, Eastern Orthodoxy, Roman Catholicism, Protestantism, and Restorationism. Protestantism includes many groups which do not share any ecclesiastical governance and have widely diverging beliefs and practices. Major Protestant branches include Adventism, Anabaptism, Anglicanism, Baptists, Lutheranism, Methodism, Moravianism, Quakerism, Pentecostalism, Plymouth Brethren, Reformed Christianity, and Waldensianism.
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barnhart
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Coifi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 3:23 pm As for why Protestants view these things as idol worship, I understand it to be based primarily on an interpretation of the Second Commandment from the book of Exodus. I cannot think of any other reason why. Is there another reason why?
Hi Cofi, thanks for taking the time to correspond. As I understand the concept of this thread, anyone is free to answer questions directed to them, if this is a misunderstanding, the moderator can kindly delete this post.

There is some question if an Anabaptist is qualified to answer for Protestants, as we have been historically been considered by them to be heretics but it in broad strokes we generally fall in that category.

My dis-inclination toward the traditions you think of as reverence of saints and icons is based in at least three biblical concepts.
1. The singularity of Jesus. He is the only mediator, to seek another is in a small way to turn from Jesus. 1 Tim 3.
2. We appeal to Jesus because he is the incarnate God, a singular quality shared by none, not his mother nor any other saintly person.
3. The general biblical prohibition on contracting those who have passed through death for any reason, including petition, hidden knowledge or advice.

One feature of the reverence of saints I admire in some way is the bringing together of heaven and earth, as this is the primary purpose of Jesus' life, ministry, death and resurrection. This is found in his great prayer, "As in heaven, so on earth..." However, I see a misunderstanding of the the eternal kingdom implicit in this practice. When heaven and earth are one, we on earth will assume the position of those in the eternal kingdom not needing intercession or petition for all will be made new. I am in favor of joining the heavenly host in the activities they are already enjoying, but not in favor of pulling them back into our experience.
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MaxPC

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JayP wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 7:11 am I am amazed at finding this thread and more so at the simplistic discussion. While IMHO the technical divisions between Orthodox and Roman churches seems small, in relation to their shared beliefs, those small number of differences has become a huge gap.

Respectfully, because I believe you mean well, those that post about “efforts” to reconcile are naive.
I feel it is important to point out that through the hospitality of an Anabaptist forum, we have been invited with a thread dedicated to answering questions about our faith from those who are not members of our faith. The very nature of a forum, particularly one that is not dedicated to the RCC/OCC, does not provide room for long theses that address the minutiae of the lingquistic, cultural and historical rationales for differences and similarities. Simplicity that does not create tedium functions best in such a setting so as to avoid abusing the generous hospitality of Anabaptist bandwith. If another is interested in more information, one can always point to the long theses of various Vatican websites if one is so inclined to read more in depth.

In summation, there have been and are currently, efforts for reconciliation between the RCC/OCC. The reasons for it taking a great deal of effort and time is the fact that centuries of misconceptions and differences must be discussed, each in its turn, and addressed. God is patient with us, and so we are to be patient with each other and to avoid biases and anger for the sake of the Kingdom.
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Josh

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Suggestion: two different threads, one for Catholics and one for Orthodox. If someone wants to understand the differences between Catholics and Orthodox, they can ask in both places and hear both the Catholic perspective and the Orthodox perspective.

I would suggest a place to ask a Latin Catholic and an Eastern (Greek) Catholic, but I don't think we currently have any Byzantine, etc. Catholics participating here.
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Note. I am not sure what a Byzantine Rite practicing person could tell you. I know such people and have attended mass there.

You may not be aware that while the Byzantine Rite is essentially an Orthodox practice, it is fully in communion with the RCC.
In fact, while their mass is built on the liturgy of St John Chrysostum like eastern churches, it actually has more prayers for the Pope than the RCC Novus Ordo.

A Roman Catholic Mets their Sunday obligation by attending such a service.

So, doctrinally there is a difference.


That said, I would say the RCC and Orthodox really do not have meaningful, practical theological differences.
Orthodox would prefer you not to, but a RCC can take communion at their mass.

The two denominations do not consider the other to be invalid or heretical.
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Ernie

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How do Orthodox and Catholics interpret and apply this NT instruction?
Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
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Josh

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Ernie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 7:42 pm Have a question you would like to ask a Catholic or Orthodox?

This is a place you can do it.

Please do not answer questions if you are not Catholic or Orthodox.
Forum Rules wrote:Forum rules
Discussion in this section is to be informative not combative. Ask questions and accept answers. No challenging of others faith or beliefs will be tolerated.
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Ernie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:53 pm How do Orthodox and Catholics interpret and apply this NT instruction?
Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
Here is a link to an official site, the USCCB (United States Conference of Catholic Bishops). It has the Bible online with commentary in the footnotes: I recommend reading the footnotes too. Hopefully this is helpful to your query.
USCCB 1 Corinthians 11

The woman's headcovering was never abrogated per se. They simply did not mention it in the latest Canon Law revisions.
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Josh

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MaxPC wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:46 pm
Ernie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:53 pm How do Orthodox and Catholics interpret and apply this NT instruction?
Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
Here is a link to an official site, the USCCB (United States Conference of Catholic Bishops). It has the Bible online with commentary in the footnotes: I recommend reading the footnotes too. Hopefully this is helpful to your query.
USCCB 1 Corinthians 11

The woman's headcovering was never abrogated per se. They simply did not mention it in the latest Canon Law revisions.
Thanks for that response. Could you offer commentary on the men’s side of things the women’s?
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Josh wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:55 pm
MaxPC wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:46 pm
Ernie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:53 pm How do Orthodox and Catholics interpret and apply this NT instruction?

Here is a link to an official site, the USCCB (United States Conference of Catholic Bishops). It has the Bible online with commentary in the footnotes: I recommend reading the footnotes too. Hopefully this is helpful to your query.
USCCB 1 Corinthians 11

The woman's headcovering was never abrogated per se. They simply did not mention it in the latest Canon Law revisions.
Thanks for that response. Could you offer commentary on the men’s side of things the women’s?
There are 1.390 Billion baptised Catholics around the world in 2022. They reside in approximately 3000 dioceses in nearly every nation in the world. The finer applications are discerned by each Ordinary in each diocese. He will take into account the local culture of the nation in which the Catholics reside and how to best help the faithful follow Catholic teachings. Those teachings that are non-negotiable (the Deposit of the Faith) cannot be changed. Those teachings that are adaptable (without becoming disobedient) to the Deposit of the Faith are discerned by the Ordinaries.
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Ernie

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Ernie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:53 pm How do Orthodox and Catholics interpret and apply this NT instruction?
Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
I would still be interested in hearing some Catholics and Orthodox answer this question.
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