Miller Farms fined

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Josh wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 8:57 pm The comparison is to all the OTHER food outbreaks and illnesses happening. Starting with the obesity crisis.

The testimony Miller’s customers gave was that his high quality, organic, pesticide and herbicide and chemical free food was lifesaving for them. They should continue to get that choice instead of being forced to buy industrially produced ultra processed unhealthy food.
They will continue to have that choice.

There are 114 other small organic raw-milk producers in PA that Lancaster area customers can go to if Miller doesn't want to run a legal operation. No one will be deprived of their unpasteurized milk if that is what they want.

In fact, there are 25 other organic raw milk producers in the Lancaster area alone, according to LocalHarvest: https://www.localharvest.org/lancaster-pa/raw-milk

And if Miller wants to comply with the same reasonable health inspection regulations that the rest of them already do, he can be the 26th. In fact, that was what the judge was BEGGING him to do.
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JohnHurt

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Here is a good overview of what happened at the Amos Miller hearing:

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In this video, the attorney for Amos Miller (Robert Barnes) tells what happened after the public and media were excluded from the Amos Miller hearing:



In the first 10 minutes, Barnes makes these points:

1. The Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture (PDA) is demanding authority to regulate food grown outside PA and consumed outside PA. They want to be the new "FDA".
2. The outcome of this trial would set a precedent for all other states. If the PDA wins, then even food that you grow yourself and consume yourself can be "rationed" and controlled by government decree. So this is not just about "Private Membership Associations", but the precedent will affect everyone.

Starting at 14:34 in the video, Barnes describes their investigation of the two cases of Listeria used to prosecute Miller. Both cases were fabricated by the PDA, under penalty of perjury. One case was of a lady who died from cancer, not listeria. The PDA lied repeatedly, while under oath in a court of law.

The judge was told that zero customers have filed complaints against Miller, and no food has ever been recalled from Miller's farm - while Corporate food producers have their food recalled on a regular basis. This is not about unsafe food, but about the PDA's right to regulate food production that is outside their jurisdiction.

Barnes will be representing the members of Miller's Private Association who have been denied their civil rights by the PDA. When this new lawsuit comes to trial, the PDA bureaucrats will be tried for perjury. The PDA ran all of the news media and cameras out of Miller's farm when they raided it. But, the Sheriff's Department had body cams, and Barnes is in the process of legally acquiring this body cam footage - which will show that the PDA committed perjury before the judge in the statements they made about what they found in the raid. Barnes intends to sue the PDA bureaucrats both in their official capacity and as individuals.

The State of PA is really holding this trial like the old "Star Chamber" proceedings. They have told the public that they cannot take notes at the hearing (which is illegal.) Even with this, the public and the news media have been excluded from the second half of the hearing, as what was discussed made it obvious that the PDA is overreaching its authority.

Robert Kennedy Jr. and Thomas Massie have both spoken out for Miller. More people are siding with Miller. This is not an "Amish", or "Pennsylvania" issue, it is now nationwide.

MIller's "Give Send Go" account is now up to $267,000 - so there is tremendous financial support for Miller.

https://www.givesendgo.com/supportamosmiller?s=01

And you can still support Miller by buying Miller's products at his website: https://amosmillerorganicfarm.com/?v=1d20b5ff1ee9

If you are a small farmer, and sell directly to your customers, then you might consider donating to Miller. The outcome of this case will affect all of the small farm producers.

John
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JohnHurt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 9:45 am
The State of PA is really holding this trial like the old "Star Chamber" proceedings. They have told the public that they cannot take notes at the hearing (which is illegal.) Even with this, the public and the news media have been excluded from the second half of the hearing, as what was discussed made it obvious that the PDA is overreaching its authority.

Robert Kennedy Jr. and Thomas Massie have both spoken out for Miller. More people are siding with Miller. This is not an "Amish", or "Pennsylvania" issue, it is now nationwide.
Newsflash. The trial is over and Miller lost. The court found that he isn't special and needs to comply with the same public health standards as the other 119 raw milk producers in PA who sell their products to the public.

The court was unamused by his attempt to claim that the law doesn't apply to him simply because he structures his business as a "private membership club" similar to Costco.
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mike wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 10:44 pm Raw milk and politics

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... k-00145625
That is what this whole thing has been from the start.
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RZehr

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Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 11:30 pm
mike wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 10:44 pm Raw milk and politics

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... k-00145625
That is what this whole thing has been from the start.
Right
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Why Amos Miller isn’t getting a permit

The answer to the judge’s question is pretty simple, from Miller’s perspective: the permit only solves part of his problem. He wants to sell much more than just raw milk and certain cheeses, including other products like “butter, soft-cheeses (Pennsylvania only permits hard cheeses), kefir and colostrum — the first substance produced by mammary glands after giving birth — because Pennsylvania doesn’t allow their sales.”

https://amishamerica.com/amos-miller-pe ... -raw-milk/
If Miller gets a permit then he comes under PDA jurisdiction and cannot sell his other dairy products. A permit won't fix the problem.
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Ken wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 10:49 pm
JohnHurt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 9:45 am
The State of PA is really holding this trial like the old "Star Chamber" proceedings. They have told the public that they cannot take notes at the hearing (which is illegal.) Even with this, the public and the news media have been excluded from the second half of the hearing, as what was discussed made it obvious that the PDA is overreaching its authority.

Robert Kennedy Jr. and Thomas Massie have both spoken out for Miller. More people are siding with Miller. This is not an "Amish", or "Pennsylvania" issue, it is now nationwide.
Newsflash. The trial is over and Miller lost. The court found that he isn't special and needs to comply with the same public health standards as the other 119 raw milk producers in PA who sell their products to the public.

The court was unamused by his attempt to claim that the law doesn't apply to him simply because he structures his business as a "private membership club" similar to Costco.
Do you have a link?
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Judas Maccabeus

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JohnHurt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2024 6:56 pm
Why Amos Miller isn’t getting a permit

The answer to the judge’s question is pretty simple, from Miller’s perspective: the permit only solves part of his problem. He wants to sell much more than just raw milk and certain cheeses, including other products like “butter, soft-cheeses (Pennsylvania only permits hard cheeses), kefir and colostrum — the first substance produced by mammary glands after giving birth — because Pennsylvania doesn’t allow their sales.”

https://amishamerica.com/amos-miller-pe ... -raw-milk/
If Miller gets a permit then he comes under PDA jurisdiction and cannot sell his other dairy products. A permit won't fix the problem.
He is under state control if he likes it or not.
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