Illegal alien arrivals now greater than American births?

[Josh]

But it’s not true and the “Great Replacement” is xenophobic nonsense. Furthermore, as has been pointed out, the origins of this conspiracy theory are among white supremacist and neo-Nazi groups. At the “Unite the Right” protests in Charlottesville in 2017, neo-Nazis bearing tiki torches chanted “Jews will not replace us.” That’s an example of the Great Replacement theory and I don’t think the same thing as the concerns you’re bringing up.

As I have already documented, this "Great Replacement" is already happening, and has exactly zero to do with white supremacist or neo-Nazi stuff. It is simply about replacing Americans already here with huge numbers of immigrants. The Americans already here are many different races and faiths and many of them are even people who are illegal aliens. The focus should be on the people already here, not on bringing in millions more.

The original topic: the number of illegal alien arrivals now exceeds the number of births to anyone in America. That's exactly what a replacement is.

I also don’t think we can ignore the origins of the conspiracy theory that Josh is arguing for and his use of dehumanizing language. I think we do need to call it out.

Yes, I'm aware you hold leftist political positions and accuse those who disagree with those positions of being Nazis or whatever. It's tiresome and you need to stop doing it.

[Bootstrap]

But it’s not true and the “Great Replacement” is xenophobic nonsense. Furthermore, as has been pointed out, the origins of this conspiracy theory are among white supremacist and neo-Nazi groups. At the “Unite the Right” protests in Charlottesville in 2017, neo-Nazis bearing tiki torches chanted “Jews will not replace us.” That’s an example of the Great Replacement theory and I don’t think the same thing as the concerns you’re bringing up.

And some of the people who chanted "you will not replace us" were quite literally waving Nazi flags:

[Bootstrap]

Josh, what is your position on Christians using dehumanizing language?

[Josh]

Josh, what is your position on Christians using dehumanizing language?

I already said I was sorry for saying "infested", because it bothered people here.

I rather resent you accusing me of being a Nazi for using rather common language, though. There are serious overcrowding problems in cities because large swathes of migrants are being imported with no place for them to go. I'd be glad to say "overcrowding". It's a problem for both migrants and for people who are already here.

[Josh]

And some of the people who chanted "you will not replace us" were quite literally waving Nazi flags:

<pictures of Nazi flags removed>

Hitler also liked dogs and was a vegetarian. I used to be a vegetarian and I like dogs. I don't know what you mean by that "you will not replace us" thing, but I'm not sure why this dialogue is necessary, Boot.

It's possible to have a reasonable discussion about various issues without accusing your opponent of being a Nazi. It actually points that you have no substantive arguments except to start calling your opponents names.

[Bootstrap]

The original topic: the number of illegal alien arrivals now exceeds the number of births to anyone in America. That's exactly what a replacement is.

But that's not what the "Great Replacement" theory is. And you know that.

In the OP you said this:

... here in America there has been a strong, concerted push to replace the Americans who are born and raised here with migrants.

And this:

Of course this was called a “conspiracy theory” a few years ago, but now it is obviously true and happening. The elites don’t like middle class Americans and want to replace them.

I don't think "the elites" are scheming to replace "middle class Americans" because they don't like them. You make claims like that without proof. This is precisely what is called a conspiracy theory - "they" are trying to do this to "us" because they hate us, plenty of emotion, but a claim made without evidence, repeated over and over again until it feels true in some circles.

[Bootstrap]

Josh, what is your position on Christians using dehumanizing language?

I already said I was sorry for saying "infested", because it bothered people here.

Thanks - I had missed that. (Where did you do that?)

I rather resent you accusing me of being a Nazi for using rather common language, though.

I did not do that. I said that Nazis are Nazis, and that this rhetoric that is being promoted around us is closely related to Nazi propaganda. And that we should learn from that.

FWIW, Trump's former communications director has written about this:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 ... g-whistle/

Former Trump communications director Anthony Scaramucci claimed former President Trump’s remarks that drew comparisons to Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” and Nazi Germany are “a total dog whistle.”

Scaramucci, who served on the former president’s campaign team and just 11 days in the administration, said Trump “knows exactly what he’s doing” with his comments. He also argued his former boss would promote lies or random pieces of information because he thought “it sounded good at the time.”

“So, he knows exactly what he’s doing,” he added. “He puts things out there, sort of with a forked tongue. He’ll say one thing and say, ‘Oh geez, I didn’t realize that that was from that,’ but he does know that it’s from that.”

[Josh]

The original topic: the number of illegal alien arrivals now exceeds the number of births to anyone in America. That's exactly what a replacement is.

But that's not what the "Great Replacement" theory is. And you know that.

No, I don't, I'll be frank, I hadn't heard of these conspiracy theories until you started talking about it here. I saw an interesting image and though, hmm, that's exactly what this "Great Replacement" thing must be. It makes sense, and I plan to stick to it. If you want to get into a conspiracy theory, go ahead. There are conspiracy theories about almost anything.

... here in America there has been a strong, concerted push to replace the Americans who are born and raised here with migrants.

And this:

Of course this was called a “conspiracy theory” a few years ago, but now it is obviously true and happening. The elites don’t like middle class Americans and want to replace them.

I don't think "the elites" are scheming to replace "middle class Americans" because they don't like them. You make claims like that without proof. This is precisely what is called a conspiracy theory - "they" are trying to do this to "us" because they hate us, plenty of emotion, but a claim made without evidence, repeated over and over again until it feels true in some circles.

Maybe it's being done unintentionally, then. But why the huge push to bring in millions more people when we already have trouble with the people already here? The net effect of doing this is to destroy the middle class, making housing unaffordable, and basically turn migrants into some kind of inpoverished class living in third world conditions - the only group that benefits are the wealthy who want low cost labour. I think it's entirely appropriate to call this out for unhumanitarian and exploitative it is.

Boot, the average younger American doesn't make enough to afford a house in the average metro, which is where most Americans live. Average places. This didn't used to be the case. The American middle class is getting exterminated. Home ownership rates amongst millennials are abysmal and are not catching up even closely to where Baby Boomers were at the same age. It should be very, very obvious that flooding the country with millions more people who need a place to live is going to make housing a lot more expensive.

The argument that more immigrants can build housing doesn't hold water. First of all, immigrants need paid a fair wage. There are already plenty of people looking for work. Secondly, houses also have material costs, and take time to build. Impoverished immigrants can't move in and afford houses at average prices today. And we are already seeing this in our cities - hordes of people with no place to go.

So the question is who benefits? The wealthy do. And they are entirely the architects (perhaps unwittingly) of replacing the middle class with an impoverished, poverty stricken class. And that is indeed a great replacement:



The middle class are being replaced by a tiny, wealthy elite, and masses of impoverished people - both migrants and natives.

[Josh]

Josh, what is your position on Christians using dehumanizing language?

I already said I was sorry for saying "infested", because it bothered people here.

Thanks - I had missed that. (Where did you do that?)

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Specifically, a few people across the aisle said so. So there you go.

I rather resent you accusing me of being a Nazi for using rather common language, though.

I did not do that. I said that Nazis are Nazis, and that this rhetoric that is being promoted around us is closely related to Nazi propaganda. And that we should learn from that.

The Nazis also were the first to ban smoking with public propaganda campaigns. I think smoking should be banned. Does that mean anti smoking campaigns are closely related to Nazi propaganda? No. Is it even worth mentioning? No. There is nothing to learn from that.

FWIW, Trump's former communications director has written about this:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 ... g-whistle/

I'm not very interested in things Trump officials had to say and don't keep up on them. Although I think comparisons of Trump to Hitler are ridiculous and will continue to say that. There is no similarity between the two at all.

Here's what happens: the left has embraced the idea that the entire right wing are loathesome people and that it's OK to call them Nazis. It's something that should be beneath you, Boot, yet you keep doing it in this thread. This thread has no Nazi ideology at all. I don't even know what Nazi policy was on immigration. They seemed keen on invading other countries. I'm not really aware there was much of a flood of illegal immigration to German controlled areas in the 1930s/1940s at all. So the two topics are completely irrelevant to each other.

[Bootstrap]

FWIW, Trump's former communications director has written about this:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 ... g-whistle/

I'm not very interested in things Trump officials had to say and don't keep up on them. Although I think comparisons of Trump to Hitler are ridiculous and will continue to say that. There is no similarity between the two at all.

Actually, the one graph you posted is labeled "Trump" and "Biden". You found it on Twitter, from a person whose main aims seem to be very much political. Perhaps you could use a graph that is not about Trump if you don't want to discuss that?

When I see "Great Replacement", I think, "Great Replacement Theory". When I see "Trump vs. Biden", I see "Trump vs. Biden'. If these are not the things you want to discuss, perhaps you should post something different?

I know you aren't the person who made these things up. If you want to disavow these sources, please do. But after doing so, please stop relying on them or insisting that they are something different than what they plainly are.