Bunny Trails

[MaxPC]

Everyone's mileage varies.

What does that saying have to do with this?

Definition: everyone's experiences and perceptions will vary. Do we spend hours arguing or do we reach out to a neighbor that may need help? Which do you think Jesus wants us to do?

Actually, I believe there is only one church and one truth, one baptism, and one God and Father of all. This is an area where “everyone’s mileage doesn’t vary”.

I have no problem with your beliefs. My mileage of years informs me that Jesus will have the final say on how we have conducted our discipleship in life.

[temporal1]

i’m not convinced that the Catholic Church has become Protestant. Even with Pope Frances.
I guess this topic is about the Catholic Church.

When i attend CC, as a visitor, i do not receive communion. i receive a blessing.
My daughter converted to Catholicism, one reason being, she didn’t want her daughter to be told her mother would go to hell if she didn’t convert.

Our impression is, to be Catholic, it takes more than a life well lived to receive eternal salvation.

“What people believe” covers a lot of territory. i don’t believe the RCC leaves it wide open.
i’m open to learning.

“7 Key Differences Between Protestant and Catholic Doctrine”
https://voice.dts.edu/article/7-key-dif ... rio-mikel/

[temporal1]

VOCATUS ATQUE NON VOCATUS DEUS ADERIT

i had 2 years of Latin in public school junior high school, when public schools were (excellent).

Apparently they were busy teaching Latin and neglected (punctuation).

Don’t blame them for what i may have missed/forgotten/misused.
They did their best.

Latin text
Latin text in scriptio continua with typical capital letters, taken from Cicero's De finibus bonorum et malorum:

NEQVEPORROQVISQVAMESTQVIDOLOREMIPSVMQVIADOLORSITAMETCONSECTETVRADIPISCIVELIT

Which in modern punctuation is:
Neque porro quisquam est qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit…

"Nobody likes pain for its own sake, or looks for it and wants to have it, just because it is pain…"

With ancient Latin punctuation is: NEQVE·PORRO·QVISQVAM·EST·QVI·DOLOREM·IPSVM·QVIA·DOLOR·SIT·AMET·CONSECTETVR·ADIPISCI·VELIT

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scriptio_continua

[Josh]

Vatican Doctrine Office: Transgender-Identifying People Can Be Baptized, Witness Marriages

This article gives some detail, including quotes from the Vatican’s doctrine office.

Not ambiguous either. I found the part recognising homosexual marriages as being “better” than cohabitation particularly concerning.

[ohio jones]

[JayP]

The comment about the printing press changing everything is a bit misleading.
And by the way the key development was not the printing press per se it was movable type.

Certainly a significant mile marker on civilizations road but not as significant I think to religious movements.

Revolution comes most often from the educated middle class. All those movers need shakers in Reformation times already knew how to read. And what they read and wrote is less consequential than you think. Without the political components and societal background we end up all reading about St. Erasmus and the footnotes of some goofy German priest named Martin that got himself executed.
Just not sure if it was the secular or religious authority…..I gotta check those footnotes. LOL

If you hold religion got better through some aspects of the Reformation era I am fine with that view.

If you think putting certain religious writings down on more wildly circulating paper or that God jumped on to play a big role, I have some bridges to sell you.

The wonder of such boards. From an obtuse largely theoretical discussion about baptisms of Trannies to nailing Luther with 95 lashes…..

[temporal1]

The comment about the printing press changing everything is a bit misleading.
And by the way the key development was not the printing press per se it was movable type.

Certainly a significant mile marker on civilizations road but not as significant I think to religious movements.

Revolution comes most often from the educated middle class. All those movers need shakers in Reformation times already knew how to read. And what they read and wrote is less consequential than you think. Without the political components and societal background we end up all reading about St. Erasmus and the footnotes of some goofy German priest named Martin that got himself executed.
Just not sure if it was the secular or religious authority…..I gotta check those footnotes. LOL

If you hold religion got better through some aspects of the Reformation era I am fine with that view.

If you think putting certain religious writings down on more wildly circulating paper or that God jumped on to play a big role, I have some bridges to sell you.

The wonder of such boards. From an obtuse largely theoretical discussion about baptisms of Trannies to nailing Luther with 95 lashes…..

Video: A Lamp in the Dark
viewtopic.php?t=3138

^^The history isn’t kind to Catholics; i don’t believe it’s exaggerated or false.

i don’t expect anyone to view this lengthy video, but, in it, they are careful about your movable type point.

i agree with your general view, but i continue to see the printing press as very significant.
After all, for many years, the majority of people who owned 1 book would own a Bible, AND, so many people learned to read in their homes and schools using the Bible. When people migrated to the new world, their Bibles were treasures theycarried, AND they used their Bibles as an early form of trans-continental communication before any other was imagined.

i sometimes wonder how things would have differed if Erasmus, or the Waldensians, had benefit of Bibles from the printing press?

As an aside,
i had a precious experience with my young granddaughter that helps me relate to long-distance learning.
Before she could read, before she was in school, i gave her a preschool edition of daily devotions, i had a matching book.
Each page had a subject line, short story, scriptural passage, brief prayer. 2000 miles away, i began reading to her. No goals, no planned teaching moments. i wanted us to connect, i wanted to introduce Jesus and Truth.

To my shock,
by the end of the year, she was reading full pages to me!
no effort on my part. no phonics, nothing. just reading to her, then with her.

our long distance reading continued for years. i then used the opp to introduce her to various library skills, and helped her learn to navigate scriptures. what a reader she is! God’s creation, not mine. i didn’t do anything, He did.

Printing press, alone? Of course not. Nothing happens without the blessing of the Holy Spirit.
With that blessing, no limits!

i agree with a lot of what you’re saying.

The CC did not want parishioners reading scriptures.
Nor did they want scriptures in local languages.
It’s hard to imagine/remember today.

My dear young granddaughter was horrified to try to imagine a time when most people couldn’t read.
Starting so young, she’s kinna sensitive about that.

Then we had a talk about Jesus being born into a Jewish family.
She+i have all kinds of revelations to discuss.
Her interest makes it a total blast. So precious.

[Josh]

If you think putting certain religious writings down on more wildly circulating paper or that God jumped on to play a big role, I have some bridges to sell you.

The wonder of such boards. From an obtuse largely theoretical discussion about baptisms of Trannies to nailing Luther with 95 lashes…..

I’ve found the viewpoint interesting that the printing press (with movable type) was essential to spread the gospel, as if Jesus’ mission and the 1,500 years after that was insufficient, but the last 500 years have been some nadir of spirituality.

[temporal1]

If you think putting certain religious writings down on more wildly circulating paper or that God jumped on to play a big role, I have some bridges to sell you.

The wonder of such boards. From an obtuse largely theoretical discussion about baptisms of Trannies to nailing Luther with 95 lashes…..

I’ve found the viewpoint interesting that the printing press (with movable type) was essential to spread the gospel, as if Jesus’ mission and the 1,500 years after that was insufficient, but the last 500 years have been some nadir of spirituality.

It wasn’t essential. Not by a long shot.
It was a pivotal point in history.

i try to avoid the trap of saying any human-crafted invention/law is essential. No.
God promises to provide. He keeps His promises. No printing press = No problem. Not for God.

Nothing happens without the blessing of the Holy Spirit.
With that blessing: No limits.

Somewhere in forum history, i recall you agreeing with the point about the printing press.
i’m not going to dig for it.

There’s no harm in clarifying words.
It contributes to respectable communication, which (the internet proves well) can’t be taken for granted.

[temporal1]

It wouldn’t surprise me if, on the future anniversary of one of Pope Francis’ Synods on Synodality, another Cadaver Synod is held in his honor like the one for Pope Formosus. In that synod, the body of Pope Formosus was exhumed from the grave and then sat down in a court to formally face charges. He was then was assigned an attorney and a person was authorized to speak on his behalf.
After he was found guilty of all charges his body was then dumped unceremoniously into the river!

o.good night. what next?

The Cadaver Synod: Putting a Dead Pope on Trial
Why did Pope Stephen VI go to such great lengths to destroy an enemy who was already dead?
https://daily.jstor.org/the-cadaver-syn ... -on-trial/

^^(this account says Pope Formosus’ body was plucked from the river.)
i wouldn’t expect this for Pope Francis. The worldly powers will protect his remains.

P.2:

JayP:
.. Pope who is a die hard modernist. ..