Menfolk: Your church's standards on facial hair?

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RZehr

Re: Menfolk: Your church's standards on facial hair?

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Written: If a mustache is worn, it must be reasonably trimmed in order not to interfere with the practice of the holy kiss.
Unwritten: If facial hair is worn, anything different than clean shaven, beard without mustache, or beard with mustache, isn't acceptable. So no goatees, no mutton chops, not mustache without a beard.
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Re: Menfolk: Your church's standards on facial hair?

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Written: If a mustache is worn, it must be reasonably trimmed in order not to interfere with the practice of the holy kiss.
Unwritten: If facial hair is worn, anything different than clean shaven, beard without mustache, or beard with mustache, isn't acceptable. So no goatees, no mutton chops, not mustache without a beard.
So which is enforced and how is it enforced?
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RZehr

Re: Menfolk: Your church's standards on facial hair?

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QuietlyListening wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 9:49 am
Written: If a mustache is worn, it must be reasonably trimmed in order not to interfere with the practice of the holy kiss.
Unwritten: If facial hair is worn, anything different than clean shaven, beard without mustache, or beard with mustache, isn't acceptable. So no goatees, no mutton chops, not mustache without a beard.
So which is enforced and how is it enforced?
Typically, our standards are read out loud once a year. I've heard at that time exhortation/reminder on the trimmed mustache and holy kiss matter. If someone did indeed have a burly mustache, I would suppose it would be treated as any other standard violation - a conversation, a reminder of what our agreed position is on it.

The unwritten: I've heard preaching very recently that touched on facial hair, as a subset of how our appearance sends a message about us. And goatees were specifically mentioned in the sermon as an example. The goatee wearer would very likely eventually, be asked to shave it, or grow out the rest of the beard.
Our church has intentionally tried to nurture a culture of honor and respect for our preachers preferences/convictions. What this might look like on this matter of goatees, would be that the person simply doesn't have a goatee. Not because our standard spells it out, but he respects the preachers and the congregations conviction on this matter. And he wants to make peace. Our church did not want to be a church where unless every little thing was spelled out in detail, and if something isn't spelled out, that means there is a right to do that thing, and no one can touch it. Now, if there are multiple people who thing goatees should be worn, they can bring the matter up for a congregational discussion.
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steve-in-kville

Re: Menfolk: Your church's standards on facial hair?

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RZehr wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:26 am Now, if there are multiple people who thing goatees should be worn, they can bring the matter up for a congregational discussion.
Are hairstyles handled in a similar fashion?
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RZehr

Re: Menfolk: Your church's standards on facial hair?

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steve-in-kville wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:35 am
RZehr wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:26 am Now, if there are multiple people who thing goatees should be worn, they can bring the matter up for a congregational discussion.
Are hairstyles handled in a similar fashion?
In terms of how one combs their hair, there is no expectation. At least none is coming to my mind at the moment. With the exception shaving the head. That would be an unwritten practice that would be discouraged.
What all is included in hairstyles? I know that dyeing the hair has been toyed with by some of the young ones, and that does generate deep frowns.
I remember many years ago, I was in Pennsylvania for while. And I sprayed red dye on my hair, and posed for a picture with a few others with the same. I was also wearing non-Kosher garments. Recently, someone sent that picture to me. Some of my children defended me, and said that it couldn't be me, because I wouldn't do that, or it was just the way the light was shining in the picture. Oh, the innocence of children and the faith they place in their parents!
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steve-in-kville

Re: Menfolk: Your church's standards on facial hair?

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RZehr wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:49 am
In terms of how one combs their hair, there is no expectation. At least none is coming to my mind at the moment. With the exception shaving the head.
So what if a guy was going bald anyway... still a no go?
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Re: Menfolk: Your church's standards on facial hair?

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In terms of how one combs their hair, there is no expectation. At least none is coming to my mind at the moment. With the exception shaving the head.
What is someone is losing some of his hair from chemo or radiation and he wants to just shave it all rather than have bald spots here and there - and I'm talking about someone who isn't losing all his hair eventually just areas.
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ohio jones

Re: Menfolk: Your church's standards on facial hair?

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QuietlyListening wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 9:49 am
Written: If a mustache is worn, it must be reasonably trimmed in order not to interfere with the practice of the holy kiss.
Unwritten: If facial hair is worn, anything different than clean shaven, beard without mustache, or beard with mustache, isn't acceptable. So no goatees, no mutton chops, not mustache without a beard.
So which is enforced and how is it enforced?
There are enforcement subcontractors available.

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RZehr

Re: Menfolk: Your church's standards on facial hair?

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steve-in-kville wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:58 am
RZehr wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:49 am
In terms of how one combs their hair, there is no expectation. At least none is coming to my mind at the moment. With the exception shaving the head.
So what if a guy was going bald anyway... still a no go?
Probably not. It's not as if going bald is something rare, modern, or unique.
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RZehr

Re: Menfolk: Your church's standards on facial hair?

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QuietlyListening wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 11:03 am
In terms of how one combs their hair, there is no expectation. At least none is coming to my mind at the moment. With the exception shaving the head.
What is someone is losing some of his hair from chemo or radiation and he wants to just shave it all rather than have bald spots here and there - and I'm talking about someone who isn't losing all his hair eventually just areas.
I don't know. Probably would be understood, and fine, would by my guess. I only know of one person with patchy, irregular hair. He is not at my church, but a similar one. And he doesn't have a shaved head, just patchy hair.

Come to think of it, years ago I shaved my head once too. Someone in church lost their hair from chemo, so I shaved my head. I forgot about that. I didn't keep it shaved, just shaved it and let it grow back. No one said anything to me about it that I remember. Or if they did, they must have accepted the reason.
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