The Dog that Bit People

Things that are not part of politics happening presently and how we approach or address it as Anabaptists.
ken_sylvania

Re: The Dog that Bit People

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Newsweek wrote:According to the White House, historically, presidential dogs have "humaniz[ed] the president's political image."
Not sure how well a biting dog will help to humanize the president's political image.
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Biblical Anabaptist

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Grace wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 3:35 pm
RZehr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 11:36 am One, then done. Take it out back and shoot it.
Depending who finds out you did that, you would be in big trouble. In most people's minds, the humane way to put a dog down is to take them to a vet to have the deed done. And instead of having an arm or leg bitten, you will have to pay an "arm and a leg".

I say get rid of the dog and get a cat.
Cats can be vicious too. My son has a cat that will attack people when confronted by a dog. In fact, he had to go to the emergency room and be put on a course of antibiotics because his cat attacked him.
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Joy

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My 96-year-old friend was telling me on the phone the other day, that her daughter went to her own daughter's house to feed the cat (as its owners are in Europe), and while she was on the phone with them, the cat attacked her badly. She went to the hospital, but the wounds are not healing properly. I asked if that was the same cat that attacked on old lady a while back, and the wounds developed other infections. Right, so the family reluctantly allowed the cat to be put down. It should never have gotten that far, because the family has two little girls--who shouldn't have been exposed to a vicious cat.
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justme

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exodus 21 says that if the owner knew there is a problem, and does nothing and allows the animal to injure someone else, then the owner is responsible.
exodus 21:28-31 wrote: 28If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned, and his flesh shall not be eaten; but the owner of the ox shall be quit. 29But if the ox were wont to push with his horn in time past, and it hath been testified to his owner, and he hath not kept him in, but that he hath killed a man or a woman; the ox shall be stoned, and his owner also shall be put to death. 30If there be laid on him a sum of money, then he shall give for the ransom of his life whatsoever is laid upon him. 31Whether he have gored a son, or have gored a daughter, according to this judgment shall it be done unto him.
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Josh

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justme wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 4:14 pm exodus 21 says that if the owner knew there is a problem, and does nothing and allows the animal to injure someone else, then the owner is responsible.
exodus 21:28-31 wrote: 28If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned, and his flesh shall not be eaten; but the owner of the ox shall be quit. 29But if the ox were wont to push with his horn in time past, and it hath been testified to his owner, and he hath not kept him in, but that he hath killed a man or a woman; the ox shall be stoned, and his owner also shall be put to death. 30If there be laid on him a sum of money, then he shall give for the ransom of his life whatsoever is laid upon him. 31Whether he have gored a son, or have gored a daughter, according to this judgment shall it be done unto him.
Hey, we don't live under the Old Testament law now, but live under grace. An NT believer (such as a Catholic President like JFK) can let their dog freely bite people and not lose their salvation. (Nor does their dog need to be stoned.)
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RZehr

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If a dog actually killed a person, or attacked it viciously, I’d kill it right away, no second chance. One bite though? That isn’t equal to an ox goring someone to death. So I don’t think giving a dog a second chance after one bite or nip, it really even violating the OT.

But if the dog were wont to bite with its teeth in times past, and the owner didn’t deal with it appropriately, and the dog killed somebody? Then I do think the owner should bear some liability.
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Soloist

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Just about anyone who isn’t rich and powerful would have put the dog down either by government rule or choice.
Biden is far from the only rich and powerful person to do this.
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Joy

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justme wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 4:14 pm exodus 21 says that if the owner knew there is a problem, and does nothing and allows the animal to injure someone else, then the owner is responsible.
exodus 21:28-31 wrote: 28If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned, and his flesh shall not be eaten; but the owner of the ox shall be quit. 29But if the ox were wont to push with his horn in time past, and it hath been testified to his owner, and he hath not kept him in, but that he hath killed a man or a woman; the ox shall be stoned, and his owner also shall be put to death. 30If there be laid on him a sum of money, then he shall give for the ransom of his life whatsoever is laid upon him. 31Whether he have gored a son, or have gored a daughter, according to this judgment shall it be done unto him.
That's exactly the passage that I thought of. I did ask my friend if her granddaughter was going to take responsibility for her mother's medical bills, and she said no. As I recall, she paid for the old lady's because she was forced to.

I didn't argue the point, but with the responsibility established by God; the fact that her father and mother already have great medical bills, and the daughter has frankly, a lot more money than her parents; and the Scriptural principle of honoring her mother, not to mention plain old common sense, there's no doubt in my mind that she should pay all the medical bills.
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Bootstrap

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RZehr wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2023 12:36 am If a dog actually killed a person, or attacked it viciously, I’d kill it right away, no second chance. One bite though? That isn’t equal to an ox goring someone to death. So I don’t think giving a dog a second chance after one bite or nip, it really even violating the OT.

But if the dog were wont to bite with its teeth in times past, and the owner didn’t deal with it appropriately, and the dog killed somebody? Then I do think the owner should bear some liability.
Does anyone know how serious the bite was? With each dog?
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RZehr

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Bootstrap wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2023 12:51 pm
RZehr wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2023 12:36 am If a dog actually killed a person, or attacked it viciously, I’d kill it right away, no second chance. One bite though? That isn’t equal to an ox goring someone to death. So I don’t think giving a dog a second chance after one bite or nip, it really even violating the OT.

But if the dog were wont to bite with its teeth in times past, and the owner didn’t deal with it appropriately, and the dog killed somebody? Then I do think the owner should bear some liability.
Does anyone know how serious the bite was? With each dog?
What dog? I’m not talking about any particular dog. Commander? No idea.
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