Ken wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 6:25 pm
Also I would point out that the fact that they did not discover a mass grave at one particular location at one particular school doesn't mean that abusive practices were not the norm at Indian boarding schools in Canada or the US. We have massive amounts of information to suggest that they were.
We also know that many students went missing and did in fact die in the custody of Indian boarding schools. That is not a hoax. That is history. There is an immense amount of documentation and evidence to that effect. What we do not know is what happened to all or many of them because the boarding schools and government kept such poor records and often cases on records at all. Or simply destroyed records deliberately.
Well, I think it is a hoax, and I don't find your word to be compelling otherwise.
This reminds me of George Bush looking for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq — he was certain they would find them sometime!
These are supposed to be the same people protecting us from misinformation and fake news!
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Ken wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 6:25 pm
Also I would point out that the fact that they did not discover a mass grave at one particular location at one particular school doesn't mean that abusive practices were not the norm at Indian boarding schools in Canada or the US. We have massive amounts of information to suggest that they were.
We also know that many students went missing and did in fact die in the custody of Indian boarding schools. That is not a hoax. That is history. There is an immense amount of documentation and evidence to that effect. What we do not know is what happened to all or many of them because the boarding schools and government kept such poor records and often cases on records at all. Or simply destroyed records deliberately.
This reminds me of George Bush looking for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq — he was certain they would find it sometime!
These are supposed to be the same people protecting us from misinformation and fake news!
That there is a mass grave at x-Indian school in X-state or province may well be fake news, or or simply false. The deliberate absence of good records on the part of schools and the government makes such things very difficult to determine.
But the fact that the entire system of boarding schools in both Canada and the US were part of a massive government exercise in cultural genocide that abused children and families in countless ways is not fake news, it is our history.
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Ken wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 6:25 pm
Also I would point out that the fact that they did not discover a mass grave at one particular location at one particular school doesn't mean that abusive practices were not the norm at Indian boarding schools in Canada or the US. We have massive amounts of information to suggest that they were.
We also know that many students went missing and did in fact die in the custody of Indian boarding schools. That is not a hoax. That is history. There is an immense amount of documentation and evidence to that effect. What we do not know is what happened to all or many of them because the boarding schools and government kept such poor records and often cases on records at all. Or simply destroyed records deliberately.
This reminds me of George Bush looking for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq — he was certain they would find it sometime!
These are supposed to be the same people protecting us from misinformation and fake news!
That there is a mass grave at x-Indian school in X-state or province may well be fake news, or or simply false. The deliberate absence of good records on the part of schools and the government makes such things very difficult to determine.
But the fact that the entire system of boarding schools in both Canada and the US were part of a massive government exercise in cultural genocide that abused children and families in countless ways is not fake news, it is our history.
I think you're confusing "history" with a fake meta-narrative that confirms anti-Catholic bigotry and conspiracy theories.
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A member here , who hasn't posted in a while, told me about the time his noticably Mennonite family was eating in a restaurant in a town frequented by native people when an older woman approached their table. She connected them with an organization that had for a time operated two boarding schools. Then she looked over the children and said, "I think I will take that one. He is the age of my brother they took and he never came back." The victims are still living and they haven't forgotten even if the rest of us conveniently have.
The problem is that certain people decided to just make stuff up, thereby making everything a lot worse for real victims and muddying the waters about talking about reconciling past wrongs.
As far as taking people’s kids away… governments do that all the time. Someone at a doctor’s office expressed his story to me last week and his grief as well. He seemed like a reasonable dad to me, but apparently the state decided he and his wife weren’t.
barnhart wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 6:54 pm
A member here , who hasn't posted in a while, told me about the time his noticably Mennonite family was eating in a restaurant in a town frequented by native people when an older woman approached their table. She connected them with an organization that had for a time operated two boarding schools. Then she looked over the children and said, "I think I will take that one. He is the age of my brother they took and he never came back." The victims are still living and they haven't forgotten even if the rest of us conveniently have.
I still do not believe it happened, or at least not by evil Jesuits. Plus, I have a hard time believing you can be objective about anything like this because your anti-Catholic biases are more obvious to me than most.
These schools used “militarized” tactics to assimilate Native American children as young as 4-years-old in environments described in the report as fostering, “rampant physical, sexual, and emotional abuse; disease; malnourishment; overcrowding; and lack of health care.”
The report also acknowledges that the federal government used money from Indian Trust Funds to pay schools — even those run by religious organizations — to take children away without parental consent and force them into environments that were designed to destroy generational bonds by eliminating language and culture.
This means Native American tribes experienced their children being stolen while also being made to pay for the abuse designed to destroy their own existence. Those tribal trust accounts held money that was a result of territory cessions to the United States.
These schools used “militarized” tactics to assimilate Native American children as young as 4-years-old in environments described in the report as fostering, “rampant physical, sexual, and emotional abuse; disease; malnourishment; overcrowding; and lack of health care.”
The report also acknowledges that the federal government used money from Indian Trust Funds to pay schools — even those run by religious organizations — to take children away without parental consent and force them into environments that were designed to destroy generational bonds by eliminating language and culture.
This means Native American tribes experienced their children being stolen while also being made to pay for the abuse designed to destroy their own existence. Those tribal trust accounts held money that was a result of territory cessions to the United States.
barnhart wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 6:54 pm
A member here , who hasn't posted in a while, told me about the time his noticably Mennonite family was eating in a restaurant in a town frequented by native people when an older woman approached their table. She connected them with an organization that had for a time operated two boarding schools. Then she looked over the children and said, "I think I will take that one. He is the age of my brother they took and he never came back." The victims are still living and they haven't forgotten even if the rest of us conveniently have.
I’m not sure you realize how this comes across? Honestly, if a native person told me they would just take one of my children because I am white and/or Mennonite(I have had absolutely nothing to do with the harm done to them) that woman would have done nothing to accomplish any growth in relationship and aiding them - other than me just feeling a deeper pity for them than I already do for one having such a toxic attitude. Did she really feel justified in threatening pain on others because we aren’t of her descent? Isn’t that racism?!
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barnhart wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 6:54 pm
A member here , who hasn't posted in a while, told me about the time his noticably Mennonite family was eating in a restaurant in a town frequented by native people when an older woman approached their table. She connected them with an organization that had for a time operated two boarding schools. Then she looked over the children and said, "I think I will take that one. He is the age of my brother they took and he never came back." The victims are still living and they haven't forgotten even if the rest of us conveniently have.
I still do not believe it happened, or at least not by evil Jesuits. Plus, I have a hard time believing you can be objective about anything like this because your anti-Catholic biases are more obvious to me than most.
Plenty of other groups were complicit, I don't know if the Catholics were even the largest operator.