steve-in-kville wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 5:09 am
Vote & discuss.
I feel racism just isn't a race/ethnic/country of origin thing. We all have our prejudices about people.
Vote by your own definition of the term.
i really like your wording, #5, “Most likely in some ways.”
(i think) it fits most, members here, and people all over the world. numbers are growing for #5, now at 40%.
JimFoxvog wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 7:59 am
A way to check unconscious racism is with the Implicit Bias Test from Harvard's "Project Implicit". Many other biases can be tested. They use your reaction time in classifying pictures. Find it at https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/takeatest.html.
Great news - I'm not racist according to that test. (I've had employers who did "diversity" workshops and made everyone take this sort of thing.)
JimFoxvog wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 7:59 am
A way to check unconscious racism is with the Implicit Bias Test from Harvard's "Project Implicit". Many other biases can be tested. They use your reaction time in classifying pictures. Find it at https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/takeatest.html.
Great news - I'm not racist according to that test. (I've had employers who did "diversity" workshops and made everyone take this sort of thing.)
Congratulations!
Are results based on speed? (i thot i noticed that parameter?) You must have been speedy (considering Jim’s posting time and the length of the 17 tests).
If so, i believe i’m a slow/slower reader, i’m too tired to begin it just now. i muddle over things. Maybe later.
Is muddling racist?!
JimFoxvog wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 7:59 am
A way to check unconscious racism is with the Implicit Bias Test from Harvard's "Project Implicit". Many other biases can be tested. They use your reaction time in classifying pictures. Find it at https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/takeatest.html.
Great news - I'm not racist according to that test. (I've had employers who did "diversity" workshops and made everyone take this sort of thing.)
Congratulations!
Are results based on speed? (i thot i noticed that parameter?) You must have been speedy (considering Jim’s posting time and the length of the 17 tests).
I was 19 at the time and the entire exercise was strange and bizarre. Later on I learned how the whole thing worked (and there is very little, if any, actual scientific basis to prove that people's response to such things makes them a "racist"; the concept of Implicit Bias is a left-wing liberal progressive/Communist concept and one that reasonable people should not give much heed to.
For example, in the test I just took,
During the Implicit Association Test (IAT) you just completed:
Your data suggest weak automatic preference for Transgender People over Cisgender People.
This can lay to rest Szdfan's rather frequent accusations that I hate homosexuals and transsexuals, want to see them killed, and so forth.
Soloist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:06 pm
I used to have a confederate flag… I cut it up when I started really walking with Jesus.
Regardless of what I believed it meant, it has no place in a Christian’s life.
I have never had one, but I was going to say that for most of the people I know who fly one, it is not a "racial statement". It is just a cultural symbol for them, like a Maple leaf for Canada, etc. But it also carries enough baggage that I wouldn't want to have or display one.
(I assume that when people say "Confederate flag", they are talking about the Virginia "battle flag". The actual Confederate flag is quite different.)
We used to have Confederate flag discussions on occasion when I taught in Texas.
If asked my opinion I would tell my students it is the "loser flag" just like the Nazi swastika. And just like the swastika, people who fly and wear the Confederate flag are just telling us who they really are. And that frankly they are doing us a favor since you don't have to wonder if they are losers, they are coming out and proudly telling you that they are. My students were about 1/3 Black and 1/3 Hispanic and tended to appreciate that perspective.
In any event, the Confederate flag is most certainly a racist symbol in this country. It was brought back from obscurity as a racist symbol when the South was defending Jim Crow segregation against the Civil Rights movement, and essentially became the banner of opposition to Civil Rights. Georgia, for example, added it to their state flag in 1956. South Carolina began flying it over their state capitol in 1961. They weren't doing that for "heritage" it was opposition to the Civil Rights movement and desegregation.
'Losers' ? Seems to me Jesus was the only one qualified to call sinners derogatory names like what He called the Pharisees. Jesus was without sin. I really doubt Jesus would approve of us calling anyone names like a 'loser or 'a flop' or 'deadbeat' or 'underachiever' or 'bum' or words like that. When Jesus saw people who were lost in sin, He looked on them with compassion. Everyone needs compassion. Satan has a grip on people and this shows up in various ways. If we can call anyone derogatory names it is satan. Thats how I see it but at times forget.
I have never had one, but I was going to say that for most of the people I know who fly one, it is not a "racial statement". It is just a cultural symbol for them, like a Maple leaf for Canada, etc. But it also carries enough baggage that I wouldn't want to have or display one.
(I assume that when people say "Confederate flag", they are talking about the Virginia "battle flag". The actual Confederate flag is quite different.)
We used to have Confederate flag discussions on occasion when I taught in Texas.
If asked my opinion I would tell my students it is the "loser flag" just like the Nazi swastika. And just like the swastika, people who fly and wear the Confederate flag are just telling us who they really are. And that frankly they are doing us a favor since you don't have to wonder if they are losers, they are coming out and proudly telling you that they are. My students were about 1/3 Black and 1/3 Hispanic and tended to appreciate that perspective.
In any event, the Confederate flag is most certainly a racist symbol in this country. It was brought back from obscurity as a racist symbol when the South was defending Jim Crow segregation against the Civil Rights movement, and essentially became the banner of opposition to Civil Rights. Georgia, for example, added it to their state flag in 1956. South Carolina began flying it over their state capitol in 1961. They weren't doing that for "heritage" it was opposition to the Civil Rights movement and desegregation.
'Losers' ? Seems to me Jesus was the only one qualified to call sinners derogatory names like what He called the Pharisees. Jesus was without sin. I really doubt Jesus would approve of us calling anyone names like a 'loser or 'a flop' or 'deadbeat' or 'underachiever' or 'bum' or words like that. When Jesus saw people who were lost in sin, He looked on them with compassion. Everyone needs compassion. Satan has a grip on people and this shows up in various ways. If we can call anyone derogatory names it is satan. Thats how I see it but at times forget.
Yes, losers. Both the Nazis and Confederates launched wars against the United States and lost. Notwithstanding the vile and indefensible racist ideology upon which both movements were based, they were, in fact, losers.
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Sudsy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 10:33 am
'Losers' ? Seems to me Jesus was the only one qualified to call sinners derogatory names like what He called the Pharisees. Jesus was without sin. I really doubt Jesus would approve of us calling anyone names like a 'loser or 'a flop' or 'deadbeat' or 'underachiever' or 'bum' or words like that. When Jesus saw people who were lost in sin, He looked on them with compassion. Everyone needs compassion. Satan has a grip on people and this shows up in various ways. If we can call anyone derogatory names it is satan. Thats how I see it but at times forget.
That depends on the context. Here's a sense in which it's beneficial to be a loser.
We used to have Confederate flag discussions on occasion when I taught in Texas.
If asked my opinion I would tell my students it is the "loser flag" just like the Nazi swastika. And just like the swastika, people who fly and wear the Confederate flag are just telling us who they really are. And that frankly they are doing us a favor since you don't have to wonder if they are losers, they are coming out and proudly telling you that they are. My students were about 1/3 Black and 1/3 Hispanic and tended to appreciate that perspective.
In any event, the Confederate flag is most certainly a racist symbol in this country. It was brought back from obscurity as a racist symbol when the South was defending Jim Crow segregation against the Civil Rights movement, and essentially became the banner of opposition to Civil Rights. Georgia, for example, added it to their state flag in 1956. South Carolina began flying it over their state capitol in 1961. They weren't doing that for "heritage" it was opposition to the Civil Rights movement and desegregation.
'Losers' ? Seems to me Jesus was the only one qualified to call sinners derogatory names like what He called the Pharisees. Jesus was without sin. I really doubt Jesus would approve of us calling anyone names like a 'loser or 'a flop' or 'deadbeat' or 'underachiever' or 'bum' or words like that. When Jesus saw people who were lost in sin, He looked on them with compassion. Everyone needs compassion. Satan has a grip on people and this shows up in various ways. If we can call anyone derogatory names it is satan. Thats how I see it but at times forget.
Yes, losers. Both the Nazis and Confederates launched wars against the United States and lost. Notwithstanding the vile and indefensible racist ideology upon which both movements were based, they were, in fact, losers.
In the sense of losing in a war that is one thing but using it as you did in the last sentence I do not believe is a way that we should look at others in their sinning. As Jesus put it - 'let him who is without sin cast the first stone'. But for the grace of God, there go I. I believe we can hate the sin that goes on, yet love the sinner. For me, this requires allowing the Spirit to have control in how I view things. That means I need to be constantly filled with the Spirit which when I fail to do, my old nature wants to hate the sinner in his sinning. To me, one of the problems that is very common in Christianity today is not separating the acts of sin and hating them with hating the sinner who God loves and wants to be their Saviour from sin.
