How could transitional Anabaptists stop being that way?

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Sliceitup
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Re: How could transitional Anabaptists stop being that way?

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Josh wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:34 pm
Sliceitup wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 6:55 pm Are you saying that Weaverland conference has German preaching? And that both Groffdale and Weaveland conferences condone cousin marriage? Because that is not my understanding.
You're right, I was thinking of Groffdale (which, the last time I was around it, was either conducted in German, or they were Pentecostal Wengers who were speaking in tongues).

As far as "cousin marriage" goes, let's be realistic - people in these conferences are marrying relatives, because that's all there is to marry. Many people in these type of ethnic Anabaptist social circles prefer it that way. And that is one reason people prefer a transitional Anabaptist church - at least their children will still be marrying "in the family", so to speak.
Yes, Groffdale does German preaching, although, let’s be real, it’s getting pretty watered down these days and is basically PA Dutch. Send a few Groffdale members to an Amish service and they’ll get lost because the Amish still use a lot more German.

Reidenbach definitely has actual cousin marriages, but outside of that group it’s usually kept to second cousins.
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Josh

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Sliceitup wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:38 pm Reidenbach definitely has actual cousin marriages, but outside of that group it’s usually kept to second cousins.
In the world I come from, second and third cousins are considered "cousin marriage".
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Re: How could transitional Anabaptists stop being that way?

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Josh wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:42 pm
Sliceitup wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:38 pm Reidenbach definitely has actual cousin marriages, but outside of that group it’s usually kept to second cousins.
In the world I come from, second and third cousins are considered "cousin marriage".
Yeah I’m sure many would see it that way. I myself feel an unreasonable amount of pride in having fully diversified my children’s bloodline :dance:
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temporal1

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NedFlanders wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:19 pm .. It was for a closer walk with Christ. ..
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Ernie

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Josh wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:42 pm
Sliceitup wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:38 pm Reidenbach definitely has actual cousin marriages, but outside of that group it’s usually kept to second cousins.
In the world I come from, second and third cousins are considered "cousin marriage".
Many third and fourth cousin marriages in the Anabaptist world have genetic situations similar to first and second cousin marriages (genetically), because of how many times the couple have the same ancestors multiple times in their family trees.
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Soloist

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It’s interesting that there are genetic consequences for not having outsiders join or marry in.
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Ernie

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Soloist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:26 am It’s interesting that there are genetic consequences for not having outsiders join or marry in.
I say that genetic disorders are sometimes a punishment for being to ingrown.
But a minister in one such setting thought of it as a small price to pay for keeping the church separated from the world (and from other Anabaptist conferences/fellowships who might introduce new ideas or traditions.)
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Soloist

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Ernie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 10:09 am
Soloist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:26 am It’s interesting that there are genetic consequences for not having outsiders join or marry in.
I say that genetic disorders are sometimes a punishment for being to ingrown.
But a minister in one such setting thought of it as a small price to pay for keeping the church separated from the world (and from other Anabaptist conferences/fellowships who might introduce new ideas or traditions.)
That minister is one of the reasons seekers are rejected.
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mike

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Ernie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 10:09 am
Soloist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:26 am It’s interesting that there are genetic consequences for not having outsiders join or marry in.
I say that genetic disorders are sometimes a punishment for being to ingrown.
But a minister in one such setting thought of it as a small price to pay for keeping the church separated from the world (and from other Anabaptist conferences/fellowships who might introduce new ideas or traditions.)
Do you think there are plain groups other than the old orders which have been similarly insular, but not as long, who will develop more of these sorts of genetic disorders in the coming years?
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Soloist

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mike wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 10:18 am
Do you think there are plain groups other than the old orders which have been similarly insular, but not as long, who will develop more of these sorts of genetic disorders in the coming years?
I think it’s very clear that historical record would support that.
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