Ephesians 5: "Shameful even to speak"

[Bootstrap]

Can you give us your definition of modern day Phariseeism?

Yes. One Scripture at a time, because what really matters is what Jesus said. Working through Matthew 23, currently, and I have posted several aspects of this in this thread. Feel free to respond to those posts.

[GaryK]

Can you give us your definition of modern day Phariseeism?

Yes. One Scripture at a time, because what really matters is what Jesus said. Working through Matthew 23, currently, and I have posted several aspects of this in this thread. Feel free to respond to those posts.

I said modern day Phariseeism. I'm wanting to know what you think Phariseeism looks like today. Can you give us a hypothetical case of modern day Phariseeism?

[Bootstrap]

I said modern day Phariseeism. I'm wanting to know what you think Phariseeism looks like today. Can you give us a hypothetical case of modern day Phariseeism?

Gary, perhaps you could respond to what I am saying already, the way I choose to say it? There's plenty of substance to respond to. I want to say things in a particular way, following Scripture closely, and I feel you are distracting from that. If I ignore other requests, that's why. I won't keep responding .

[Soloist]

The pharisees loved to argue.

[ohio jones]

The pharisees loved to argue.

But I suspect they were sticklers about keeping things in appropriately-titled threads.

[GaryK]

I said modern day Phariseeism. I'm wanting to know what you think Phariseeism looks like today. Can you give us a hypothetical case of modern day Phariseeism?

Gary, perhaps you could respond to what I am saying already, the way I choose to say it? There's plenty of substance to respond to. I want to say things in a particular way, following Scripture closely, and I feel you are distracting from that. If I ignore other requests, that's why. I won't keep responding .

Okay, I'll just drop out of the conversation. Carry on.

[Soloist]

The pharisees loved to argue.

But I suspect they were sticklers about keeping things in appropriately-titled threads.

Don’t even speak of it! Next thing you know we will get train photos

[RZehr]

The pharisees loved to argue.

No they didn’t.

[Valerie]

I love the way the one pastor reached out to Rosaria Butterfield- she was a lesbian atheist and I think he wrote some letters to her and they began communicating and he just kept asking her questions. She became a believer and left the lesbian lifestyle. She is married and a pastor's wife.

Yes, I really like her. She's local. I haven't met her, but I know a handful of people who have met her.

https://rosariabutterfield.com/

I didn't realize this thread had changed into a topic of Pharisees and I started a thread on modern day Pharisees yesterday not realizing you have this conversation going already. I thought it was still a topic of Ephesians 5 going on here.

What i see is a problem is that it's assumed that people have a Pharisee Spirit if we are discussing the lgbtq topic and it seems like that's all we're focused on is other people's sins. I don't think that's what Christians are doing. I think that Christians are very concerned that the sins in the lgbtq community are being exalted to the point that they are not even considered sins that need repenting of. Therein lies at least my concern and the concern of many I know. I listen to a recent radio broadcast of Rosaria Butterfield and yes that pastor took a great deal of time with her. But he was not just trying to be friends they were intentionally having discussions that eventually led to her coming out of her sin. Her own concern is that Christians have become weak in this area of sharing truth. I have heard other people that have come out of the homosexual lifestyle say similar things- but our society keeps pushing people to exalt the lgbtq community and have pride month! So when you say that we're focusing on the sin I think it is more that we are trying to convey that there is still sin in this community that needs to be repented of not paraded as something to be proud of. How can people feel the need to repent of sin if it's not considered sin? Aren't we then endorsing a behavior that could lead them right to hell?

[Jazman]

I wonder if this is apropos? (Prophetic Anger or Personal Anger?)

Wow.

This is really good.

Yep. I was convicted frequently while listening to this, especially Kaitlyn's challenges. For ex. I've 'enjoyed / relished' speaking truth AT people (or was it my opinion?) far too many times...