Josh wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 4:21 pm
… Ken, the idea the post office has to FORCE PEOPLE TO WORK ON SUNDAY, they they can’t TOLERATE RELIGIOUS CONVICTIONS, or else there will be NO MAIL DELIVERY IN NAVAJOLAND is patently absurd.
It also betrays you hatred of religious people and their convictions. You have asserted there is no legitimate reason for someone to not work in the Sabbath. Apparently you think everyone who keeps it should be confined to a shtetl and just work for each other or something. You don’t want people like me engaged in public life or able to work for public sector jobs.
Josh. Maybe you should take a deep breath and respond to what I actually wrote instead of inventing hysterical windmills to tilt at.
Or not. Your choice.
OK, Ken, explain your position.
You said:
(1) The post office needs extra revenue from Sunday delivery to turn a profit
(2) The post office needs to turn a profit or else it can't do rural delivery of prescriptions to people in Navajoland
(3) Thus, it is entirely reasonable to trample on employees' religious convictions and force them to work on Sundays.
(4) And you think that employees with such religious convictions shouldn't work at the post office.
Did I get any of that wrong? If so please tell me which of the numbered items above I got wrong, and what your position actually is.
Josh wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 4:21 pm
… Ken, the idea the post office has to FORCE PEOPLE TO WORK ON SUNDAY, they they can’t TOLERATE RELIGIOUS CONVICTIONS, or else there will be NO MAIL DELIVERY IN NAVAJOLAND is patently absurd.
It also betrays you hatred of religious people and their convictions. You have asserted there is no legitimate reason for someone to not work in the Sabbath. Apparently you think everyone who keeps it should be confined to a shtetl and just work for each other or something. You don’t want people like me engaged in public life or able to work for public sector jobs.
Josh. Maybe you should take a deep breath and respond to what I actually wrote instead of inventing hysterical windmills to tilt at.
Or not. Your choice.
OK, Ken, explain your position.
You said:
(1) The post office needs extra revenue from Sunday delivery to turn a profit
(2) The post office needs to turn a profit or else it can't do rural delivery of prescriptions to people in Navajoland
(3) Thus, it is entirely reasonable to trample on employees' religious convictions and force them to work on Sundays.
(4) And you think that employees with such religious convictions shouldn't work at the post office.
Did I get any of that wrong? If so please tell me which of the numbered items above I got wrong, and what your position actually is.
No, I didn't say any of those things. I did explain my thoughts in considerable detail above. Go back and read them again if you are really curious.
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Ken wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 6:12 pm
No, I didn't say any of those things. I did explain my thoughts in considerable detail above. Go back and read them again if you are really curious.
OK, Ken.
So you agree it's reasonable for the post office to make accomodations for religious employees who observe a specific Sabbath type of day (whether sundown Friday to sundown Saturday, or all day Sunday)?
Ken wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 6:12 pm
No, I didn't say any of those things. I did explain my thoughts in considerable detail above. Go back and read them again if you are really curious.
OK, Ken.
So you agree it's reasonable for the post office to make accomodations for religious employees who observe a specific Sabbath type of day (whether sundown Friday to sundown Saturday, or all day Sunday)?
I think it is reasonable for the Post Office and any other employer to treat all of its employees equitably and fairly when it comes to taking time off from work. There are also an enormous number of professions available to anyone who doesn't want to work on a particular day of the week. Instead of delivering the mail he could drive a school bus, for example. They never operate on Sundays. And school districts are always looking for bus drivers.
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Ken wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 7:37 pm
I think it is reasonable for the Post Office and any other employer to treat all of its employees equitably and fairly when it comes to taking time off from work. There are also an enormous number of professions available to anyone who doesn't want to work on a particular day of the week. Instead of delivering the mail he could drive a school bus, for example. They never operate on Sundays. And school districts are always looking for bus drivers.
OK, got it. You don't think the post office should make religious accommodations.
And no, it's not true that they never operate on Sundays. Sometimes sporting events happen on Sundays, and according to your logic, if they did, he should lose his job.
Ken wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 6:12 pm
No, I didn't say any of those things. I did explain my thoughts in considerable detail above. Go back and read them again if you are really curious.
OK, Ken.
So you agree it's reasonable for the post office to make accomodations for religious employees who observe a specific Sabbath type of day (whether sundown Friday to sundown Saturday, or all day Sunday)?
I think it is reasonable for the Post Office and any other employer to treat all of its employees equitably and fairly when it comes to taking time off from work. There are also an enormous number of professions available to anyone who doesn't want to work on a particular day of the week. Instead of delivering the mail he could drive a school bus, for example. They never operate on Sundays. And school districts are always looking for bus drivers.
It is sounding to me like you might think that the religious person has more obligation to be flexible and accommodating to his coworkers schedules, than the employer has to the religious persons schedule.
It is strange to think that the coworkers have this burden of obligation instead of the managers and the employer.
Ken wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 6:12 pm
No, I didn't say any of those things. I did explain my thoughts in considerable detail above. Go back and read them again if you are really curious.
OK, Ken.
So you agree it's reasonable for the post office to make accomodations for religious employees who observe a specific Sabbath type of day (whether sundown Friday to sundown Saturday, or all day Sunday)?
I think it is reasonable for the Post Office and any other employer to treat all of its employees equitably and fairly when it comes to taking time off from work. There are also an enormous number of professions available to anyone who doesn't want to work on a particular day of the week. Instead of delivering the mail he could drive a school bus, for example. They never operate on Sundays. And school districts are always looking for bus drivers.
He already did what you were suggesting. When he went to work for the United States postal service, he sought out a career where it would not be a problem as an employee for him to work there because they didn't work on sundays. He already went that route. He will lose significant benefits so don't please don't convey that's as simple as just driving a bus as an option
If the government can commandeer my business and force it to serve as the conduit for providing health insurance to my workers, is it any more onerous for it to also force me to accommodate the preferred schedules that my workers might have?
I applied at a store that's open every day of the year including Easter and christmas. I knew this one applying. On my application they gave you the opportunity to convey when you are available and when you're not available. My only request that was I not work on Sundays that meant six other days of the week from 8:00 in the morning till 10:00 p.m. I was available to work. I did not hire there to be a problem child they hired me with that request in mind and it has not been an issue because most people these days have no problem working on Sundays because they do not care to honor the Lord stay it's just like any other day. Usually as a Christian that means you have other disadvantages in the work schedule because of this. I work every single Saturday unless I request one off on a great occasion so we're not trying to look like Martyrs here we're trying to honor the Lord's day and still have gainful employment
We’ve been surviving so far without this legal requirement. I do know though, that it has influenced the occupations of conservative Mennonites.
For the government to grant this religious provision, it would be nice. But if not, life will go on as it is.
I talked with a Christian man last Sunday, and he said that he said that he’s been working 12 hour days, 7 days a week for a while. I suggested that he take off on Sunday, and he was quick to rebuff that suggestion with “the Sabboth was made for man, not man for the Sabboth”. I thought that was the exact reason that he should take a break - for himself. But he saw it differently. He wanted to make money while he could.
I think there are plenty of Christians and others, who are just fine with working on Sunday. Obviously there are, with so many businesses being open.
I think if all businesses closed on Sunday and went to church, then society would be better off.